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#3208828 20-Mar-2024 20:56

Lias:

On the KO conversation,[snipped for brevity] so another crack baby to be supported by the state.

That sounds awful, and a little like where I grew up.

With that being said...

These people IMHO don't deserve to LIVE, nevermind be in a state provided house on a state provided benefit.

This feels like a pretty gross sentiment to be directing at people.

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#3208880 20-Mar-2024 21:07

networkn:

This feels like a pretty gross sentiment to be directing at people.

I've always been a pretty staunch advocate for capital punishment with a broad brush. If you spend your days smoking drugs, hurting children, stomping on women's heads, I genuinely do not understand how people can think you should be allowed to live.

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#3208934 20-Mar-2024 21:28

This thread has gone down a dark path. I shall go elsewhere.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3209000 21-Mar-2024 07:46

Lias: I genuinely do not understand how people can think you should be allowed to live.

Repeating a second time doesn't make it correct. The death sentence is inconsistent with New Zealand law, and general attitudes.

I encourage you continuing to help the police to get violent offenders locked up. Getting him locked up is the answer; not killing him. You may consider getting wireless doorbell cameras at your doors. Many should be on sale this Easter.

It sounds like you're obsessing on your neighbors. You can't change them, but you can change your situation.

You may want to seek mental health professional help.

Health Ed: Helplines and local mental health services

You may consider the serenity prayer

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference."

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#3209007 21-Mar-2024 08:46

networkn:

MikeB4:

To add to what @Lias wrote earlier. Funding BS has stopped Enable(not the Broadband provider) being able to supply wheelchairs. Yet there is apparently ample funds to build new motorways.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350219245/finance-minister-nicola-willis-calls-officials-after-cuts-disability-services

Looks like it's being taken care of.

From the linked article: "Simmonds has also questioned how the money has been spent, and suggested some families were wasting their funding on “massages, overseas travel and pedicures”.

I'm fortunate that myself and my immediate family are all able-bodied. I have some close relatives with kids that are neurodivergent in a way that apparently makes them very active and incompatible with mainstream schools after the first couple of years. The amount of spending and type of items that were granted funding for 'respite' resulted in steam coming out of my ears on a number of occasions. The little I heard suggested to me that the case manager was trying to shovel money out the door. I'm not sure if the disability funding in the article is the same pool of funding, but if so I'm unsurprised that the funding has been exhausted.

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#3209008 21-Mar-2024 08:48

By Law every tenant is allowed 'Quiet Enjoyment' of their rental. The minute you are disturbing others you are stealing their quiet enjoyment and after three strikes, should be evicted. Time to show everyone there are consequences to bad behaviour and they can’t make others cower in fear.

I feel so utterly sorry for the children in such circumstances. @Lias knowing your own kids are well looked after but having disadvantaged ones at your doorstep must be mentally draining. I couldn’t ever cope with what you must be going through.

For any bad tenants that are Maori I think that the Maraes could assist in giving temporary accommodation and some no nonsense boundaries and counselling. The Marae in Island Bay run by Bruce Stewart used to take in homeless. They had strict rules and residents were made to pull their weight and you wouldn’t even know they lived there. Pretty sure they got some government funding but that’s fine if it helps the problem and gets people taking responsibility for their lives.

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#3209013 21-Mar-2024 09:17

Handle9: Living in a state house has always had a stigma. My dad grew up in one, as did many people, and it always had a stigma and always will.

Under the current neo-liberal government policies, tenancy as opposed to home ownership will become more common, and in fact more and more Kiwis will never own their own home. Tenancy, including state house tenancy, will be normalised. Look forward to neo-liberalism's final solution of the state house stigma problem by selling state houses and their tenancies to corporate & foreign landlords.

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#3209015 21-Mar-2024 09:20

frankv:

Handle9: Living in a state house has always had a stigma. My dad grew up in one, as did many people, and it always had a stigma and always will.

Under the current neo-liberal government policies, tenancy as opposed to home ownership will become more common, and in fact more and more Kiwis will never own their own home. Tenancy, including state house tenancy, will be normalised. Look forward to neo-liberalism's final solution of the state house stigma problem by selling state houses and their tenancies to corporate & foreign landlords.

Any other conspiracies you would like to share ?

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#3209017 21-Mar-2024 09:22

kingdragonfly:

Repeating a second time doesn't make it correct. The death sentence is inconsistent with New Zealand law, and general attitudes.

I encourage you continuing to help the police to get violent offenders locked up. Getting him locked up is the answer; not killing him. You may consider getting wireless doorbell cameras at your doors. Many should be on sale this Easter.

It sounds like you're obsessing on your neighbors. You can't change them, but you can change your situation.

You may want to seek mental health professional help.

Health Ed: Helplines and local mental health services

You may consider the serenity prayer

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference."

With regards to security cameras, I already have plenty thanks, as do most of the other neighbours. The area around that KO house has so many security cameras you'd be forgiven for thinking we were in China, I'm sure you can work out why.

I'm perfectly aware that the death penalty is no longer legal in NZ and a majority of Kiwi's don't currently support changing that, but I wouldn't consider supporting it to be a particularly radical opinion. As per Wikipedia, in 2004 28% of Kiwi's supported it, which had risen to 38% as of 2014. I'd be surprised if it's not even higher now given the "law and order" cncerns that largely got the current government elected. I find your suggestion that being a proponent of capital punishment should be equated with mental illness followed by a suggestion I take up religion (which many consider to be a mental illness) to be truly bizarre.

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#3209019 21-Mar-2024 09:28

Lias:

I'm perfectly aware that the death penalty is no longer legal in NZ and a majority of Kiwi's don't currently support changing that, but I wouldn't consider supporting it to be a particularly radical opinion. As per Wikipedia, in 2004 28% of Kiwi's supported it, which had risen to 38% as of 2014. I'd be surprised if it's not even higher now given the "law and order" cncerns that largely got the current government elected. I find your suggestion that being a proponent of capital punishment should be equated with mental illness followed by a suggestion I take up religion (which many consider to be a mental illness) to be truly bizarre.

If you folks want to discuss the death penalty someone should start a topic in the Politics sub-forum. This is not the thread for it.

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#3209020 21-Mar-2024 09:35

freitasm:

If you folks want to discuss the death penalty someone should start a topic in the Politics sub-forum. This is not the thread for it.

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#3209035 21-Mar-2024 09:58

Lias:

My opinion, an is that in an ideal world everyone receiving state welfare benefits, should be in some for of "do X for the dole" program. If you are physically/mentally able to work, then you should "work or study for the dole" in some capacity until such time as you can find a "real" job. If someone could work, even in a limited capacity, with assistance, then that assistance should be provided. Be that disability supports, psychological therapy, knee surgery, retraining, drug & alcohol counselling, or whatever. For those who need therapy, addiction counselling, study whatever to be employable, attendance and participation at such should be a requirement of receiving your welfare from the state without being locked up by the state.

The downsides of "workfare" are threefold:

The people forced to work are placed in an exploitable position. Shit work under shit conditions and shit management is what they can expect.
This depresses the labour market, reducing wages and conditions across the board. No need to treat people well or buy some equipment if you can can get some workfare slaves
It costs more to provide the support services and manage the coercion of the unwilling than just paying the dole.

For example, many years ago I taught computing at CIT. At that time, the government sought to improve youth unemployment by reducing the dole for those under 21 IIRC, but paid more for those in training. Predictably, this led to an upsurge in students, and a downturn in unemployment. Also predictably, it meant that our classrooms were full, but largely with people who didn't really want to be there. Management was happy with lots of government-paid fees. Of course, we now had to record attendance, so a chunk of every lesson was wasted with roll calls. And latecomers. And interruptions. And general misbehaviour. Maybe someone was checking those rolls, and doing some enforcement for non-attendance, although I don't think so. After a couple of months, attendance fell back to normal levels, and we got on with teaching the remaining motivated and interested students.

Nevertheless, I do agree. Mainly because it forces the government to address the issue of providing assistance.

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#3209038 21-Mar-2024 10:02

sir1963:

frankv:

Under the current neo-liberal government policies, tenancy as opposed to home ownership will become more common, and in fact more and more Kiwis will never own their own home. Tenancy, including state house tenancy, will be normalised. Look forward to neo-liberalism's final solution of the state house stigma problem by selling state houses and their tenancies to corporate & foreign landlords.

Any other conspiracies you would like to share ?

Are you suggesting that home ownership in NZ is not decreasing? Or that selling state houses isn't on the government's agenda?

Or was this a thoughtless and valueless trigger response?

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#3209040 21-Mar-2024 10:07

The difference in fuel prices.

The two nearest petrol stations to me are a GAS in one direction and NPD in the other. About equidistant.

95 unleaded at GAS is 39 cents more expensive per litre. What the….!

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#3209048 21-Mar-2024 10:24

Dynamic:

From the linked article: "Simmonds has also questioned how the money has been spent, and suggested some families were wasting their funding on “massages, overseas travel and pedicures”.

Whilst I'm not saying there isn't waste, sound-bites like "wasting money on massages and pedicures" really annoy me.

I'm sure this is said to give people the idea that the beneficiary is at some spa resort with someone in a white coat gently filing their toenails when if fact there are handicapped, infirm etc. people who simply cannot do it themselves and need help.

It's too easy to look at a line in a spreadsheet that says pedicures and generate outrage. It's hard to drill down and determine what is actually going on whether it is needed.

EDIT: And now I have added to the derailing of this thread. Sorry.

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