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#1281996 13-Apr-2015 12:13

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networkn: I'm sorry but a woman in this role wouldn't be a credible replacement to my mind, unless she has the same motoring experience, and enthusiasm as JC, which she doesn't. You need someone who is completely car fanatical to fill the role.

Absolute rubbish, there is a large number of women in motoring as professional race drivers, managers etc and in the Auto industry in general.

Umm did you read what I wrote..

"unless she has the same motoring experience, and enthusiasm as JC, which she doesn't."

One of the things that a lot of people like about top gear is the knowledge of the history of cars that came so easily from JC and the other two, the banter regarding them was often very high quality, and without the same level of experience, it wouldn't work.

I'd like to know if you could list 10 without the help of Google. Could you name 3 from that list you think would make suitable replacements for JC? Though I expect you are the wrong person to ask since you clearly have a problem with JC and his irreverent style of presentation.

Clarkson actual knowledge of vehicles is limited, James May knowledge exceeds his by some margin. Some names off the top of my head, Sabine Schmitz comes to mind, Danica Patrick, Sue Perkins, Emma Gilmour...

I agree with Clarkson vs May, but Clarkson vs most other world people wouldn't be in the same league, and I'd disagree with it being termed as "limited", that doesn't accurately speak to the amount of knowledge he has.

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#1281997 13-Apr-2015 12:15

lxsw20: Clarkson certainly doesn't have an great technical knowledge nor is he a particularly good driver. Tiff Needle is miles ahead of him in both those aspects. I would still argue Clarkson is miles ahead of Tiff in terms of being an motoring journalist. IMO the only good part left of Top Gear was the actual car reviews. If they are just going to fill it will more super scripted challenges then they need to just let it die. You just need to look at TG Oz or TG USA to see Clarkson/May/Hammond made the show what it was.

Tiff is all that is wrong with 5th Gear, he is terrible on the whole. Clarkson is in a different universe as a presenter.

Not sure I'd agree with his not being a particularly good driver, because compared to the average enthusiast I'd say he is a lot better, but is he better than a F1 driver, nope.

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#1282056 13-Apr-2015 12:49

KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid: I wouldn't call Clarkson's motoring knowledge "limited" by any stretch of the word. Clarkson has been writing about cars since 1983'ish right up until recently and has been on camera since 1988. He essentially re-invented Top Gear in to the giant it is today and has carried it for over a decade.

His knowledge is limited to Super cars and "British" cars and pseudo British cars. I started watching it right back when Jason Dawe was one of the presenters, back in those series there was none of the xenophobia and racism, that came in when they decided
they needed to be shock jocks in order to maintain ratings.

I think xenophobia is a bit harsh. A Brit that dislikes what is happening to his country, I think is a better way to describe him. And fair enough too. After all, the Brits used to be able to laugh at themselves, but sadly that special humour and light hearted look at what is going on in our world is gradually being eroded away.

One good thing about this - those that dislike what has happened to Top Gear will have a new format and hopefully will be satisfied. And for those of us that refuse to come down to the political correctness and sobriety of the day will probably get to see an even better and more humorous show on Netflix, or one of the independent channels. Every crisis is an opportunity.

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#1282080 13-Apr-2015 13:01

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KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid: I wouldn't call Clarkson's motoring knowledge "limited" by any stretch of the word. Clarkson has been writing about cars since 1983'ish right up until recently and has been on camera since 1988. He essentially re-invented Top Gear in to the giant it is today and has carried it for over a decade.

His knowledge is limited to Super cars and "British" cars and pseudo British cars. I started watching it right back when Jason Dawe was one of the presenters, back in those series there was none of the xenophobia and racism, that came in when they decided
they needed to be shock jocks in order to maintain ratings.

I think xenophobia is a bit harsh. A Brit that dislikes what is happening to his country, I think is a better way to describe him. And fair enough too. After all, the Brits used to be able to laugh at themselves, but sadly that special humour and light hearted look at what is going on in our world is gradually being eroded away.

One good thing about this - those that dislike what has happened to Top Gear will have a new format and hopefully will be satisfied. And for those of us that refuse to come down to the political correctness and sobriety of the day will probably get to see an even better and more humorous show on Netflix, or one of the independent channels. Every crisis is an opportunity.

So where does belittling disabled people fall? There is a line, and that line can vary based on intent, and the abiltiy of some to put up with a little controversial banter. But my example quoted has no excuse, and as to the controversial banter, there has been too much of that and too blatant to keep accepting it cos we like his show. I like him, I like his attitude, but I do not like his behaviour, I am sure is publicity rather than JC driven. If so, sad that his creation took him over.

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#1282089 13-Apr-2015 13:07

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that everything he says has to be approved by editors, producers and probably lawyers, all those people should be gone as well, because essentially they allowed it to air that way.

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#1282093 13-Apr-2015 13:12

He wasn't sacked because of his shows. He was sacked because of a leaked video clip and then he assaulted a Colleague

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#1282097 13-Apr-2015 13:16

joker97: He wasn't sacked because of his shows. He was sacked because of a leaked video clip and then he assaulted a Colleague

It was not simply that. He was on warnings any ways. If just that had of happened he might have ended up with his job intact albiet having to undergo all sorts of horrible punishment too.

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#1282098 13-Apr-2015 13:16

So, are May and Hammond going to stick to their guns and stay away as well? They could do it without another, even if the JC fan element could not see that. Updated format not a new format. In all fairness, those two probably have the same, or higher value now, plus they have their own shows as well. JC will find a show that he can build on.

We have all seen shows where a key actor/actress changed, never watch it again, wont be the same, but it worked, we are just fickle.

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#1282135 13-Apr-2015 13:47

tdgeek: So, are May and Hammond going to stick to their guns and stay away as well? They could do it without another, even if the JC fan element could not see that. Updated format not a new format. In all fairness, those two probably have the same, or higher value now, plus they have their own shows as well. JC will find a show that he can build on.

We have all seen shows where a key actor/actress changed, never watch it again, wont be the same, but it worked, we are just fickle.

Two and a Half men wasn't quite as good after Charlie left, but was still good enough to watch until the finale. Felt the last season was pretty bad honestly.

TG could survive a new format if they went back to the more car reviews and fewer crazy adventures to my way of thinking. 2 Car reviews an episode, one 100K+ and one <100K unit.

The choice of presenters would need to be made carefully. It needs 3 presenters for balance, and the person to replace JC would need to be alpha dog material. I do wonder if Hammond could take over and replace him with someone else.

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#1282201 13-Apr-2015 14:37

networkn:
tdgeek: So, are May and Hammond going to stick to their guns and stay away as well? They could do it without another, even if the JC fan element could not see that. Updated format not a new format. In all fairness, those two probably have the same, or higher value now, plus they have their own shows as well. JC will find a show that he can build on.

We have all seen shows where a key actor/actress changed, never watch it again, wont be the same, but it worked, we are just fickle.

Two and a Half men wasn't quite as good after Charlie left, but was still good enough to watch until the finale. Felt the last season was pretty bad honestly.

TG could survive a new format if they went back to the more car reviews and fewer crazy adventures to my way of thinking. 2 Car reviews an episode, one 100K+ and one <100K unit.

The choice of presenters would need to be made carefully. It needs 3 presenters for balance, and the person to replace JC would need to be alpha dog material. I do wonder if Hammond could take over and replace him with someone else.

2 1/2 Men wasnt quite the ideal comparison. There was only one actor in that she and it was Sheen. TG, JC was more than a third, but not that much more TBH. As May and Hammond showed in their own shows, they can run a show.

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#1282404 13-Apr-2015 18:26

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I think xenophobia is a bit harsh. A Brit that dislikes what is happening to his country, I think is a better way to describe him. And fair enough too. After all, the Brits used to be able to laugh at themselves, but sadly that special humour and light hearted look at what is going on in our world is gradually being eroded away.

One good thing about this - those that dislike what has happened to Top Gear will have a new format and hopefully will be satisfied. And for those of us that refuse to come down to the political correctness and sobriety of the day will probably get to see an even better and more humorous show on Netflix, or one of the independent channels. Every crisis is an opportunity.

So where does belittling disabled people fall? There is a line, and that line can vary based on intent, and the abiltiy of some to put up with a little controversial banter. But my example quoted has no excuse, and as to the controversial banter, there has been too much of that and too blatant to keep accepting it cos we like his show. I like him, I like his attitude, but I do not like his behaviour, I am sure is publicity rather than JC driven. If so, sad that his creation took him over.

Please feel free to give me an example of JC belittling disabled people so that I can watch, digest and reply to your comment.

Please tell me which example (that has no excuse) you quoted so that I can reply accordingly to your reply to my comments. Maybe I have missed something here.

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#1282428 13-Apr-2015 18:53

KiwiNZ:

His knowledge is limited to Super cars and "British" cars and pseudo British cars. I started watching it right back when Jason Dawe was one of the presenters, back in those series there was none of the xenophobia and racism, that came in when they decided
they needed to be shock jocks in order to maintain ratings.

That's quite a stretch I think. It takes more than a couple of marginal word-play jokes to make a show all about xenophobia and racism, and there were more than a couple of places where they make fun of the British and their predilections and foibles as well. You will see worse in a lot of other fairly innocuous places - the early Carry On films spring to mind. Plus, they were more just clowning-around lads than shock jocks. If you want to seek what a real shock jock is, try watching Howard Stern (who can also be *very* funny) some time.

I think you might have to climb down a bit, and just accept that your standard of acceptable humour is a bit more restricted than that of many other people.

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#1282755 14-Apr-2015 10:54

DaveB:
KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid: I wouldn't call Clarkson's motoring knowledge "limited" by any stretch of the word. Clarkson has been writing about cars since 1983'ish right up until recently and has been on camera since 1988. He essentially re-invented Top Gear in to the giant it is today and has carried it for over a decade.

His knowledge is limited to Super cars and "British" cars and pseudo British cars. I started watching it right back when Jason Dawe was one of the presenters, back in those series there was none of the xenophobia and racism, that came in when they decided
they needed to be shock jocks in order to maintain ratings.

I think xenophobia is a bit harsh. A Brit that dislikes what is happening to his country, I think is a better way to describe him. And fair enough too. After all, the Brits used to be able to laugh at themselves, but sadly that special humour and light hearted look at what is going on in our world is gradually being eroded away.

One good thing about this - those that dislike what has happened to Top Gear will have a new format and hopefully will be satisfied. And for those of us that refuse to come down to the political correctness and sobriety of the day will probably get to see an even better and more humorous show on Netflix, or one of the independent channels. Every crisis is an opportunity.

And this is why he is so popular: the silent majority of British people dislike what politicians have done to Britain over the last 50 years but are generally precluded from saying so now. Very few of the socio-economic changes made were ever voted for.

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#1282879 14-Apr-2015 12:42

How about ideas for a new format then?

A road test of something new (nothing ordinary please)
Motoring news
A motorsport article
The guest in a reasonably priced car (maybe)
Another 'miscellaneous' article (different every week)

Have a couple of presenters with a different guest doing the road test every week. I propose JK as the main presenter with someone from the motorsport arena as the other

Reduce the running time to say 45 mins. Without the 'challenges', which have mostly become boring, it would be difficult to fill an hour+.

Get rid of the live audience.

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#1282946 14-Apr-2015 14:08

SJB: How about ideas for a new format then?

A road test of something new (nothing ordinary please)
Motoring news
A motorsport article
The guest in a reasonably priced car (maybe)
Another 'miscellaneous' article (different every week)

Have a couple of presenters with a different guest doing the road test every week. I propose JK as the main presenter with someone from the motorsport arena as the other

Reduce the running time to say 45 mins. Without the 'challenges', which have mostly become boring, it would be difficult to fill an hour+.

Get rid of the live audience.

So.. 5th Gear then?

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