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#3211508 27-Mar-2024 08:12

Rikkitic:

The fascist thugs have also hit Hastings. The reading has had to be cancelled because of the level and intensity of threats resulting from the lies spread into the community by the Tamaki zombies. Hastings mayor said they just couldn't risk it with children involved. 'Christian' blackmail triumphs again!

I think you need to look up the definition of Fascist before you use such pejorative terms. Extremist or Zealot may be more accurate descriptors for the point you are trying to make.

As an exercise, how about you compare and contrast this reaction to other occasions where speakers have had their engagements cancelled due to threats?

Edit: and just to be clear, I don’t believe either circumstance is acceptable.

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#3211525 27-Mar-2024 09:59

Dingbatt:

Rikkitic:

The fascist thugs have also hit Hastings. The reading has had to be cancelled because of the level and intensity of threats resulting from the lies spread into the community by the Tamaki zombies. Hastings mayor said they just couldn't risk it with children involved. 'Christian' blackmail triumphs again!

I think you need to look up the definition of Fascist before you use such pejorative terms. Extremist or Zealot may be more accurate descriptors for the point you are trying to make.

As an exercise, how about you compare and contrast this reaction to other occasions where speakers have had their engagements cancelled due to threats?

Edit: and just to be clear, I don’t believe either circumstance is acceptable.

I disagree somewhat. I am not a "free speech absolutist".

Many of those "cancelled" were overseas extremists / racists / etc, and quite honestly they were not needed here.

Tamaki is home grown hate.

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#3211529 27-Mar-2024 10:16

Dingbatt:

As an exercise, how about you compare and contrast this reaction to other occasions where speakers have had their engagements cancelled due to threats?

If you're referring to Lauren Southern et. al. then Karl Popper would like a word - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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#3211534 27-Mar-2024 10:31

Dingbatt:

I think you need to look up the definition of Fascist before you use such pejorative terms. Extremist or Zealot may be more accurate descriptors for the point you are trying to make.

As an exercise, how about you compare and contrast this reaction to other occasions where speakers have had their engagements cancelled due to threats?

Edit: and just to be clear, I don’t believe either circumstance is acceptable.

I did look it up and I stand by my comment. Some of them are just idiots, some maybe well-meaning, but when they marched in Wellington and elsewhere all I could think of was Brown Shirts.

I don't think something like this compares to Posie Parker or other similar incidents. It is drag queens reading stories about inclusiveness to children at the public library. It only became an issue because the thugs started a social media campaign over it. This group also painted over the crosswalk in Gisborne. That was an act of vandalism, but it didn't involve threats or violence. I see that as a protest and put it in a different category.

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#3211768 28-Mar-2024 08:10

Auckland Council Libraries trying to justify doing nothing about a persistent library user accessing porn on the public computers.

https://rumble.com/v4jy8p9-mum-and-kids-exposed-to-man-viewing-porn-in-public-library.html

The people in the video get a bit zealoty.

I have seen this guy myself, and he was looking at images of naked grown men.

Nothing to suggest being a predator or a danger to children, but I've only seen him once.

I did alert the library staff, and I was fobbed off with a lame excuse that they were aware and that IT was monitoring and updating filters.

I was quite surprised to learn yesterday that he does this on an almost daily basis, but I don't know for how long it's been going on.

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#3211769 28-Mar-2024 08:23

kiwifidget:

Auckland Council Libraries trying to justify doing nothing about a persistent library user accessing porn on the public computers.

https://rumble.com/v4jy8p9-mum-and-kids-exposed-to-man-viewing-porn-in-public-library.html

That sounds like a Police matter to me.

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#3211772 28-Mar-2024 08:24

gzt: To be clear those were the allegations. At this time the article does not mention specific findings other than the teacher was censured for not telling a subsequent school he was under some investigative process related to a previous school.

I'm old enough to remember when all that and more was daily teacher behaviour lol.

Definitely agree the alleged behaviour is completely unacceptable in 2024.

Oh well, in my day we were flogged with a stick for minor transgressions. Was considered normal, NZ topped the world in economic and social measures, and society seemed to not collapse into anarchy at the time. Not that I'd advocate a return to corporal punishment.

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#3211775 28-Mar-2024 08:30

kotuku4: Ha we had an metal work teacher, nick name Spanner, guess what he used to throw around.

Yikes!

We had a form1/form2 metalwork teacher, Mr Houlihan, who would chalk a swastika or other symbol onto his strap before whacking you on the arse, so it imprinted on your shorts. Hard to believe in this day and age but it happened. At the time we thought it was hilarious. The other oddity in modern terms was that only boys did woodwork and metalwork (I loved both subjects and continue to benefit from them 48 years later) and girls did cooking and sewing.

If I try to tell these stories to my kids they are incredulous. Simply not believable in their frame of reference.

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#3211785 28-Mar-2024 09:02

johno1234:

The other oddity in modern terms was that only boys did woodwork and metalwork (I loved both subjects and continue to benefit from them 48 years later) and girls did cooking and sewing.

I attended a boys only school in the early 2000s and so there were of course no cooking or sewing classes. By the time my youngest brothers attended the same school it had gone co-ed and hence introduced cooking and sewing classes for all students.

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#3211930 28-Mar-2024 17:46

Teachers who used physical violence were the biggest pedagogical jokers and failures for me. Teachers who could capture the students with words were the most respectable teachers for life for me and I remember them very fondly.

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#3211933 28-Mar-2024 18:11

The teachers I recall who threw chalk, dusters, bunch of keys, etc, I remember them as good teachers. This was mostly after corporal punishment was banned and these were things two or three teachers did in a light hearted way after repeatedly asking a student to stop talking during a test and similar scenarios. However, they were not throwing those things at me as far as I remember so probably my opinion does not really count there. As far as I'm aware they did change their practice with the times. As I said before definitely not accepted for a long time now. I recall one who did not change with the times and may have been an anti-pc type person - who was eventually ejected from the job after a few too many issues and no change in practice.

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#3211941 28-Mar-2024 19:22

Ah yes, teachers throwing chalk, dusters, and once even a chair, we called that Geography.

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#3211944 28-Mar-2024 19:30

The only teacher I had that threw things was not a good teacher in any way. Anybody not paying attention risked getting a duster thrown at them. As they say "All fun and games until someone loses an eye." Alternatively he would write something on the board and covering it with his hand ask what it was. Wrong answers usually earned the strap. One boy that was strapped never returned but his mother did. She appeared at the door leading outside and when the teacher went out to talk to her she set on him with a broom.

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#3212170 29-Mar-2024 20:29

kiwifidget:
Auckland Council Libraries trying to justify doing nothing about a persistent library user accessing porn on the public computers.

Librarians are in an interesting position here because (at least in the US) they have a long, long history of defending people's rights, typically against government and corporate overreach. For example when the FBI wanted to be notified of people taking out or reading certain books, the exact type of which varies over time, librarians have said no each time. Whenever there's a chance to comment on overreaching legislation around DRM and similar restrictions, the librarians have been one of the main submitters. In fact there's an entire very long Wikipedia article on their standing up for people's rights.

Things like this put them in a difficult position, and I can see why they'd be reluctant to take action in this case.

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#3212217 30-Mar-2024 09:51

I guess the Stratolaunch plane was too expensive to scrap.

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