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#3124970 8-Sep-2023 12:52

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cddt:

Except for the fact that not everyone has off-street parking, let alone an internal garage. At least in Auckland, a lot of the garages which do exist have been converted to additional bedrooms or sleep-outs.

I've already seen a couple of people run cables across the footpath (black cable + shadows + night time = trip hazard). If that becomes common it'll be considered a nuisance and hopefully banned.

I see that as a fringe case. If you can afford an EV you can afford a Sparky to add an outdoor charging point. Even a standard outlet will allow 12+ hours "end of day to off to work" charging time.

Apartments? The Body Corp should provide charging points, somehow making them secure should said parking be public facing.

EV charging doesn't need to cater to 100% of the population to be worthwhile. I agree - we don't need to bottle the whole idea because of fringe cases.

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#3125128 8-Sep-2023 18:33

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A couple of points.

I don't believe it's possible to install a charging point on the berm. It's not about cost, it's just not permitted.

The regulations requiring apartments to provide carparks were removed more than two decades ago.

These days a lot of houses are home to multiple adults. Not just intergenerational living, but also flats. It's pretty common for a three bedroom house to have six adults with six cars.

If your house was built between the 1950s and 1990s it probably has off-street parking. But if it's older or newer, off-street parking where you could install a charger or even access a standard outlet isn't guaranteed.

I accept what you say, but I still feel its a fringe case. But the homeowner/landlord could and should supply outdoor charging points. Not the berm! We are in transition, but at some point charging points will be as ubiquitous as toasters

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#3125129 8-Sep-2023 18:39

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Oh I agree completely. Just pointing out some barriers to entry for EV ownership which will need to be solved (e.g. councils allowing the installation of charging points on berms) if uptake is to become near-universal.

Ok, back to berms. Who pays for the power? Council? Then you get berms used as charge all night instead of visiting the resident. I do get your point but if I was in a rented 1 bedder flat with no garage, in most cases an outdoor house charging point can work . If its a small house, no garage, no driveway, well there is probably no EV owner either. Not dismissing your point, but it seem a little bit fringe

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#3125130 8-Sep-2023 18:43

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10,000 22KW chargers is not that big is it? If hey can create a 5000 home subdivision like Paerata Rise that is concentrated in one place then you'd think they could spread out10,000 chargers over the whole country. If we can't support this then there's no hope of home fast charging ever becoming common place.

22KW chargers only use 22KW when charging a warm, empty battery. Once it starts filling they slow down so by no means would they ever all be flat out at once.

If we can rollout nationwide fibre broadband then 10,000 fast chargers should be a piece of cake.

I agree, although UFB isnt big power user. Having said that, there is ample opportunity to add generation over time. Solar farms, wind farms, already in place or about to be. You could theoretically take a new subdivision, allocate two large sections for dedicated high intensity solar and wind, to supplement the subdivision. Just to pickup the slack.

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#3125136 8-Sep-2023 19:20

I see one Dr Patrick Brown has pulled the curtain back a little. Widely published story but here’s one instance:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/prominent-scientist-admits-pushing-preapproved-climate-change-narrative-get-papers?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

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#3125141 8-Sep-2023 19:41

SaltyNZ: Also, National's plan to install 10,000 EV chargers by 2030 ... did they pull that number out of their [*****]? As of 2019 there were, apparently, about 1300 petrol stations across New Zealand. If you assume it takes 10x longer to charge an EV than fuel a car, then 10,000 chargers seems reasonable

Does the number include National's planned chargers for the NZ Cycle Trail?

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#3125142 8-Sep-2023 19:43

cddt:

SaltyNZ:

... except, modern EVs hardly ever need to be publicly charged when you can charge at home.

Except for the fact that not everyone has off-street parking, let alone an internal garage. At least in Auckland, a lot of the garages which do exist have been converted to additional bedrooms or sleep-outs.

I've already seen a couple of people run cables across the footpath (black cable + shadows + night time = trip hazard). If that becomes common it'll be considered a nuisance and hopefully banned.

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#3125667 10-Sep-2023 19:46

The Independent: Marjorie Taylor Greene claims Burning Man disaster was an ‘act of God’ and trapped revellers are ‘brainwashed’

Marjorie ["Jewish space lasers"] Taylor Greene has claimed that Burning Man revellers are being “brainwashed” into believing the washout has been caused by the climate crisis – which she claims was an act of God.

The Republican congresswoman and notorious conspiracy theorist joined fellow conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on his Info Wars show on Sunday night, where they both launched into their beliefs about the festival in the Nevada desert.

“There’s 73 to 75,000 in the Nevada desert right now at this Burning Man. They’re locked in,” the far-right lawmaker said.

“They’re not allowed to leave and they’re basically probably being brainwashed that climate change is the cause of it and it’s going to destroy the Earth.”

She added: “And they’re, they’re feeling the panic. So, what’s going to happen, Alex?”

Ms Greene went on to claim that the revellers would return home with their “stories to tell” about climate change, claiming that liberals would use the disastrous event to launch into their own “movement”.

“It’s the same thing, same way they launch any kind of movement,” she said.

“After this is over and Burning Man and these 75,000 people dispersed and they go back home, they’re gonna have these stories to tell and how terrible [it] is and how we have to do everything possible to stop climate change. It’s caused by humans and it’s carbon.”

She added: “It’s the Left’s new lie they’re going to put on the American people and try to get everyone behind [it]... this is what they’re brainwashing people to believe.”

Instead of admitting that the extreme flooding is another result of climate change, Ms Greene and Jones – who was ordered to pay $1.44bn after spreading lies that the 2012 Sandy Hook mass shooting was a hoax – claimed that the festival has actually been rocked by something more divine.

“Well, you know, God has a way of making sure everyone knows who God is,” Ms Greene said.
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#3125673 10-Sep-2023 20:20

kingdragonfly: The Independent: “Well, you know, God has a way of making sure everyone knows who God is,” Ms Greene said ...

Everyone except Trump. 😄

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#3125685 10-Sep-2023 21:03

tdgeek:

Not surprising. They feel that 1.5 and 2.0 degrees are now out of reach

Let's not kid ourselves. It is hard to acknowledge that the time of cheap, abundant energy is over. Many citizens will have to decide how far they can still live from their place of work, how big a car they can have and how many square metres they will continue to live in.

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#3125692 10-Sep-2023 21:21

result of climate change

God promised with the rainbow that God would not flood the earth again. This promise was unconditional and applies to everyone. It must be us this time.

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#3125697 10-Sep-2023 22:12

Geektastic: I see one Dr Patrick Brown has pulled the curtain back a little. Widely published story but here’s one instance:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/prominent-scientist-admits-pushing-preapproved-climate-change-narrative-get-papers?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

zerohedge - ok...

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#3125725 11-Sep-2023 07:36

Geektastic: I see one Dr Patrick Brown has pulled the curtain back a little. Widely published story but here’s one instance:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/prominent-scientist-admits-pushing-preapproved-climate-change-narrative-get-papers?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

The time for climate change denial and denial of anthropogenic climate change is long passed.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3125747 11-Sep-2023 08:21

SaltyNZ:

Also, National's plan to install 10,000 EV chargers by 2030 ... did they pull that number out of their arses? As of 2019 there were, apparently, about 1300 petrol stations across New Zealand. If you assume it takes 10x longer to charge an EV than fuel a car, then 10,000 chargers seems reasonable ...

It's 10,000 chargers, not 10,000 charging stations. The 1,300 petrol stations average (WAG, 8? pumps per station) = 10,400 pumps. If you also assume 90% of charging is done at home, but it takes 10x longer to charge, then 10,000 chargers would be about right.

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#3125752 11-Sep-2023 08:37

johno1234:

10,000 22KW chargers is not that big is it? If hey can create a 5000 home subdivision like Paerata Rise that is concentrated in one place then you'd think they could spread out10,000 chargers over the whole country. If we can't support this then there's no hope of home fast charging ever becoming common place.

I doubt there will be much demand for home fast charging... typical car use is drive during the day, charge at night over 12 hours. Even if fast charging was a thing, it would be off-peak. However, the public chargers will very much be daytime charging. Whilst it will be spread out over the day, at least some of it will be on-peak.

I expect that there will be symbiosis between EVs and home solar plus PowerWall... so mostly very little demand from the grid for home use or EV charging.

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