Smoking Legislation has made things worse in some ways!

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#633921 1-Jun-2012 09:46

IMO the worst thing they did was force smokers outside.

They should be inside in a sealed room with a filter on any exhaust air to the real world.

And start treating butts like toxic waste - I am sure they must be. So people that flick them out their car window can get hit with a massive fine.

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#633927 1-Jun-2012 10:01

Not sure if it's still there, but a few years ago there was a 'smokers room' at Chch airport. It was a SEALED room with a bench seat around the outside perimeter, a table with some magazines in the middle of the room and glass walls. The door had all sorts of rubber seals on it and the room was kept at a significant negative pressure.

It was the most degrading, functional space I have seen. But it let the smokers smoke, and kept the rest of the airport air clean for everyone else.

Plus they were on display like goldfish in a smokey bowl.

I know smoking is addictive, I believe absolutely that it's a tasty stress reliever, and I know many people are simply too weak willed to resist starting for social reasons, or to give up.

I think the smoking restrictions in NZ at the moment are great - they are pretty extreme but it's still feasible to smoke. Many of you aren't able to remember what it was like 30 years ago with people smoking on planes, in restaurants, inside offices. It would be nice (for the non-smokers) if it was illegal and stopped altogether - but don't underestimate how vastly the situation has improved for non smokers in the last 20-30 years here in NZ.

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#633930 1-Jun-2012 10:06

I remember when the law first came into force, and there were the complaints you could now smell all the B.O. in bars now the smoke wasn't masking the odours.

My main complaint is that the outside areas of cafes (and bars) are often full of smoke, the same areas non-smokers most like to sit when it's a nice day.

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#633974 1-Jun-2012 10:56

I used to absolutely hate how it was in aircraft where somehow the smoke was supposed to magically stay in the smoking seats only.

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#633992 1-Jun-2012 11:06

richms: They should be inside in a sealed room with a filter on any exhaust air to the real world.

+1

Although problem may be solved faster if we don't install the exhaust air system. Just a sealed room will do the trick. Lol

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#633999 1-Jun-2012 11:12

Given this is sensitive topic to some, and without wanting offending others, I used the term 'demonstrating' which was never meant to imply.

There are other activities that will meet or exceed the social aspect and/or relieve stress without the need to harm others.

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#634048 1-Jun-2012 11:57

Not a smoker myself, but I think the outside ban that Auckland Council is proposing is alittle far. No smoking inside is fantastic, but I don't see the issue for people when there's plenty of fresh air.

/my 2 cents.

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#635422 4-Jun-2012 13:11

nate: Not a smoker myself, but I think the outside ban that Auckland Council is proposing is alittle far. No smoking inside is fantastic, but I don't see the issue for people when there's plenty of fresh air.

/my 2 cents.

No such thing as human rights?

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#635425 4-Jun-2012 13:15

jonb: I remember when the law first came into force, and there were the complaints you could now smell all the B.O. in bars now the smoke wasn't masking the odours.

My main complaint is that the outside areas of cafes (and bars) are often full of smoke, the same areas non-smokers most like to sit when it's a nice day.

We have a bar in Blenheim that fu*ken stinks of B.O now. It's rife with it.

I really feel like a leper after reading this thread.

IMO i think a lot of hate has been created just for the sake of hating on it.
In New Zealand everyone joins the bandwagon as soon as someone makes a big deal out of something.
A certain party leader needs to stop her people from smoking if it's only affecting them more then the rest. Survival of the fittest i say.

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#635482 4-Jun-2012 15:00

avecha:
nate: Not a smoker myself, but I think the outside ban that Auckland Council is proposing is alittle far. No smoking inside is fantastic, but I don't see the issue for people when there's plenty of fresh air.

/my 2 cents.

No such thing as human rights?

I'm following sorry.

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#635520 4-Jun-2012 16:32

nate:
avecha:
nate: Not a smoker myself, but I think the outside ban that Auckland Council is proposing is alittle far. No smoking inside is fantastic, but I don't see the issue for people when there's plenty of fresh air.

/my 2 cents.

No such thing as human rights?

I'm following sorry.

I agree that banning smoking outside is going too far.

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#635533 4-Jun-2012 16:46

To the people who suggest banning smoking completely, how will that work better than the other times it's been unsuccessfully attempted, for example, US Prohibition?

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#635571 4-Jun-2012 18:02

JBO: To the people who suggest banning smoking completely, how will that work better than the other times it's been unsuccessfully attempted, for example, US Prohibition?

Ban the sale of it but allow it to be grown and dried at home (which is currently legal I think). If people want to smoke it they have to grow and dry it themselves

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#635576 4-Jun-2012 18:15

And what would the punishment for selling (sorry, 'dealing') tobacco be?

How would you define sale? Would a shared or giften cigarette count? A paid-for single cigarette?

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#635592 4-Jun-2012 18:50

JBO: And what would the punishment for selling (sorry, 'dealing') tobacco be?

How would you define sale? Would a shared or giften cigarette count? A paid-for single cigarette?

The laws already exist for homebrew. You can brew your own, you can share with friends but you can't sell or exchange for goods or services, doesn't have to be any more complicated.

That or borrow laws from countries that have legalised weed for personal consumption.

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