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#901085 23-Sep-2013 11:09

Why only 1 stream? Broadcast rights.

AC _PAID_ NBC to cover it (hence the rude time slot requirements and retarded 40min race restriction to meet the timeslots to squash adverts in) and we are with lumped paying them for what their cameras feed. You hear it often 'we would like to see the racing but we have no control over these pictures, its the host broadcaster'

It's OK.. itll be on sky if they pull through and win it back to our shores.. you watch.

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#901097 23-Sep-2013 11:19

Sounddude: I am not sure why TVNZ is failing. It uses Akamai which has clusters in all the big ISP's in NZ.

The Orcon cluster has 10Gig ports and is not even close to be full. So its not a capacity thing.

Boggled!

We had to resort to Youtube streams from our Australian POP.

From memory TVNZ use brightcove and Akamai, so maybe the bottleneck is brightcove.

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#901099 23-Sep-2013 11:20

It's OK.. itll be on sky if they pull through and win it back to our shores.. you watch.

If we win it by 9:7, will there be a live feed to proceedings in the NY Supreme Court?

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#901101 23-Sep-2013 11:22

Fred99:

It's OK.. itll be on sky if they pull through and win it back to our shores.. you watch.

If we win it by 9:7, will there be a live feed to proceedings in the NY Supreme Court?

Heh I heard about that... bit of a watch this space. And then queue another 3-4yrs legal rangle

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#901115 23-Sep-2013 11:28

Isn't there a rule that says the first team to start legal proceedings automatically wins the cup?

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#901128 23-Sep-2013 11:38

Fred99:

It's OK.. itll be on sky if they pull through and win it back to our shores.. you watch.

If we win it by 9:7, will there be a live feed to proceedings in the NY Supreme Court?

Yep. We were going to win three of these previous races that ended up being cancelled, the last one Saturday when ahead by 1.2km. If only

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#901131 23-Sep-2013 11:42

tdgeek:
Fred99:

It's OK.. itll be on sky if they pull through and win it back to our shores.. you watch.

If we win it by 9:7, will there be a live feed to proceedings in the NY Supreme Court?

Yep. We were going to win three of these previous races that ended up being cancelled, the last one Saturday when ahead by 1.2km. If only

I am struggling to understand how we have gone from so dominant to struggling to compete. Today should have been ideal conditions for us, we were barely on our foils, though we did make some pretty impressive recoveries.

I hate to say it, but it seems like we will win by luck.

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#901132 23-Sep-2013 11:43

networkn: Isn't there a rule that says the first team to start legal proceedings automatically wins the cup?

LOL - the other way around. While the race series on the water is in progress, lodging an appeal would result in disqualification.
Supposed to ensure that racing can't be disrupted, or come into disrepute in the midst of sailing the series.
We already know what OR might do if they lose on points - but not on the water.
We don't know what ETNZ might do OR were to win on points.
OR obviously made some huge gains in boat speed from changes. Those changes passed by the jury/measurement team. Nothing ETNZ can do or say until after it's over. I sure hope it doesn't come to that, but AC history says that it probably will.

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#901137 23-Sep-2013 11:45

Fred99:
networkn: Isn't there a rule that says the first team to start legal proceedings automatically wins the cup?

LOL - the other way around. While the race series on the water is in progress, lodging an appeal would result in disqualification.
Supposed to ensure that racing can't be disrupted, or come into disrepute in the midst of sailing the series.
We already know what OR might do if they lose on points - but not on the water.
We don't know what ETNZ might do OR were to win on points.
OR obviously made some huge gains in boat speed from changes. Those changes passed by the jury/measurement team. Nothing ETNZ can do or say until after it's over. I sure hope it doesn't come to that, but AC history says that it probably will.

Sorry yes I mistyped it. I meant if you lodge a lawsuit you lose the cup.

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#901146 23-Sep-2013 12:00

networkn:
tdgeek:
Fred99:

It's OK.. itll be on sky if they pull through and win it back to our shores.. you watch.

If we win it by 9:7, will there be a live feed to proceedings in the NY Supreme Court?

Yep. We were going to win three of these previous races that ended up being cancelled, the last one Saturday when ahead by 1.2km. If only

I am struggling to understand how we have gone from so dominant to struggling to compete. Today should have been ideal conditions for us, we were barely on our foils, though we did make some pretty impressive recoveries.

I hate to say it, but it seems like we will win by luck.

I hear you, its a bitter pill. How I see it is this.

We set the boat up better, we sailed it better, heard that over and over. And often heard that Oracle were copying us, which is expected. Now we have two equial boats. Its all in the start as if you lead out you get the best air, and best current and you relegate the other team to those two disadvantages.

If you look at all the races, including the three we were going to win but were cancelled, thats pretty good. That we lost 2 today is a bummeer, but we didnt win the start, but we did show we can do faster legs even though relegated to the less ideal air/current. If the legs were a little longer and a couple more, you can get seperation and try to remove or minimise that, but this course is short and quick. Got to win the start, or see a mistake.

Saturday when we won easily, then lost it due to time, then when we made to fatal errors losing another, thats tough.

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#901151 23-Sep-2013 12:05

tdgeek:
networkn:
tdgeek:
Fred99:

It's OK.. itll be on sky if they pull through and win it back to our shores.. you watch.

If we win it by 9:7, will there be a live feed to proceedings in the NY Supreme Court?

Yep. We were going to win three of these previous races that ended up being cancelled, the last one Saturday when ahead by 1.2km. If only

I am struggling to understand how we have gone from so dominant to struggling to compete. Today should have been ideal conditions for us, we were barely on our foils, though we did make some pretty impressive recoveries.

I hate to say it, but it seems like we will win by luck.

I hear you, its a bitter pill. How I see it is this.

We set the boat up better, we sailed it better, heard that over and over. And often heard that Oracle were copying us, which is expected. Now we have two equial boats. Its all in the start as if you lead out you get the best air, and best current and you relegate the other team to those two disadvantages.

If you look at all the races, including the three we were going to win but were cancelled, thats pretty good. That we lost 2 today is a bummeer, but we didnt win the start, but we did show we can do faster legs even though relegated to the less ideal air/current. If the legs were a little longer and a couple more, you can get seperation and try to remove or minimise that, but this course is short and quick. Got to win the start, or see a mistake.

Saturday when we won easily, then lost it due to time, then when we made to fatal errors losing another, thats tough.

Yah I know there is plenty to be positive about, it's quite discouraging to see the scores right now. It would be nice for some luck to come our way sometime soon.

Ellison would be a fool to fire Spithall who has really done a pretty outstanding job of staying in this regatta, a better comeback I have yet to see.

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#901154 23-Sep-2013 12:13

I put it down to the free practice from the last few cancelled days they have had after the first 4 races were under the hat.
They (oracle.. not team 2xUSA members) were the worst of the 2 teams in performance and accuracy at the start. And boy did it show.
We had a better low wind boat, they did not.
A flight of 30 boat engineers and a few $400k foils later, they have a faster boat in a broader range of winds now and improved on their crew skills greatly. Quite simple. Money and practice talks.

Look at the first races (or before they started even). You KNEW oracle were fast, but not how fast leading up to the matchraces as they did not complete the LV like we had under the hat.
We were the first to round a mark/jibe on the foils (then submarine and improve it further after a day of practice) Oracle soon caught on and now do the same. We were first to foil upwind - The boats were matched for downwin, and we blitzed them upwind in light stuff

Some more adjustments and those engineers visit.. they are even more matched and do the same... unless the wind comes up.

Previous failure saw ETNZ go back to original light optimized config after changes to drag for more foil showed it didn't work in mid-strong. And its hurting us with the fickle tide/winds now. Look how fast we were in 9/10kts before the tv slot meant a canned race with over 3min lead. Oracle were dead in the water for most of it.

And again when it hit 11kts near shore this morning and we made up from over 700 to <180m before going out of phase and losing the plot again and running out of space.

The weather and lack of working changes is hurting when Oracles time off and changes have worked to some extent, but more so the fact that Oracle have sharpened up as a team/oiled machine and put the pressure on.

Might be a case of too little that can be done in even less time now.. thanks to those early abandoned days when we were in a very strong postion at the time and there was no chance to train/make changes

Thats how I see it anyway :)

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#901159 23-Sep-2013 12:27

networkn:
tdgeek:
networkn:
tdgeek:
Fred99:

It's OK.. itll be on sky if they pull through and win it back to our shores.. you watch.

If we win it by 9:7, will there be a live feed to proceedings in the NY Supreme Court?

Yep. We were going to win three of these previous races that ended up being cancelled, the last one Saturday when ahead by 1.2km. If only

I am struggling to understand how we have gone from so dominant to struggling to compete. Today should have been ideal conditions for us, we were barely on our foils, though we did make some pretty impressive recoveries.

I hate to say it, but it seems like we will win by luck.

I hear you, its a bitter pill. How I see it is this.

We set the boat up better, we sailed it better, heard that over and over. And often heard that Oracle were copying us, which is expected. Now we have two equial boats. Its all in the start as if you lead out you get the best air, and best current and you relegate the other team to those two disadvantages.

If you look at all the races, including the three we were going to win but were cancelled, thats pretty good. That we lost 2 today is a bummeer, but we didnt win the start, but we did show we can do faster legs even though relegated to the less ideal air/current. If the legs were a little longer and a couple more, you can get seperation and try to remove or minimise that, but this course is short and quick. Got to win the start, or see a mistake.

Saturday when we won easily, then lost it due to time, then when we made to fatal errors losing another, thats tough.

Yah I know there is plenty to be positive about, it's quite discouraging to see the scores right now. It would be nice for some luck to come our way sometime soon.

Ellison would be a fool to fire Spithall who has really done a pretty outstanding job of staying in this regatta, a better comeback I have yet to see.

I wish the seemingly NZ branded and owned term "chokers" would stop being used!

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#901174 23-Sep-2013 12:45

I wish the seemingly NZ branded and owned term "chokers" would stop being used!

Agreed, I hate it.

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#901185 23-Sep-2013 13:03

networkn:

I wish the seemingly NZ branded and owned term "chokers" would stop being used!

Agreed, I hate it.

It's not just a NZ term. Just ask any Aussie who followed Greg Norman in the 90s.

The way I see it, we're still in with a real chance. We have the favoured Port entry for both races tomorrow (according to TVNZ), and whoever gets that generally has a better chance of winning the start. And whoever wins the start seems to have a better chance of dominating and pulling away.

I think the real risk is not beating Oracle on pure "on water" wins, but beating them with overall points. We need to beat them with as little avenue for legal recourse as possible. These AC72s have really made this racing exciting to watch. It would be a shame for all this good work to be undone by a protracted legal battle afterwards.

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