Spam from www.bellow.co.nz

Forums › Off topic › Spam from www.bellow.co.nz

1 | 2 | 3

6 posts

Wannabe Geek

#1031484 26-Apr-2014 11:24

Hi John

This is a point we disagree on because my understanding of deemed consent is exactly what you have outlined and yes you do get people door knocking and mail via snail mail from people trying to sell you things.

The email I sent 1 to each listing owner was not selling Viagra it was advising them they are listed on the website, information related directly to their business.

The reason I ask to unsubscribe is to remove the information placed on the site as well as your email address, if you do not wish to be on the site or are not happy with the information published.

This is probably not a requirement however as a small business owner I would prefer to know what information is published online about my business and have a say in this information, on several occasions I have found information (which I have not submitted) on directory sites about businesses I operate and then taken (in some cases) weeks to sort out or have removed.

I thought it was simply polite to let businesses know they were listed and also advise them how to be unlisted if required. If by doing so I have offended anyone I apologies.

Bellow

RunningMan

9189 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4842

#1031486 26-Apr-2014 11:26

How did you get the email addresses of the businesses to start with?

johnr

19282 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2526
Inactive user

#1031493 26-Apr-2014 11:30

RunningMan: How did you get the email addresses of the businesses to start with?

Very good question? Please answer Bellow.co.nz?

LennonNZ

2459 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 411

ID Verified

Trusted

#1031496 26-Apr-2014 11:34

Deemed consent means if an email address is listed on a website regarding for example support@example.com then you have deemed consent to email then for support. If the email address is for example billingenquiries@example.com then you have deemed consent to email them about billing matters. You don't have deemed consent to email support@example.com to try and sell them advertising (which is what you are doing)

Anyway.. The Internal Affairs will decide all this for you and give you stern legal warning I presume but seriously any company who tries this again should get legal advise BEFORE they try and do this.

Bellow

6 posts

Wannabe Geek

#1031497 26-Apr-2014 11:36

Thank you for your feedback

Bellow

6 posts

Wannabe Geek

#1031498 26-Apr-2014 11:40

To answer the question where did I get the business information from in the 1st place. This has been worked on for approx 2-3 years. I have been collating this and I have paid (as I have been able to afford it) to have a 3rd party search for this online.

Geekzone

Want to support Geekzone and browse the site without the ads? Subscribe to Geekzone now (monthly, annual and lifetime options).

RunningMan

9189 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4842

#1031499 26-Apr-2014 11:45

Bellow: To answer the question where did I get the business information from in the 1st place. This has been worked on for approx 2-3 years. I have been collating this and I have paid (as I have been able to afford it) to have a 3rd party search for this online.

From the same page you linked to http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Anti-Spam-Business-Info#three

Electronic address harvesting software Businesses must not use electronic address harvesting software, or lists that have been generated using such software, for the purpose of sending unsolicited commercial electronic messages.

FWIW, I don't know how you built your list.

Sideface

9650 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 15602

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1031502 26-Apr-2014 11:49

Bellow: ... So if you publish your email address you are inviting emails (unless you request not to be contacted) ...

Bollocks

Sideface

Bellow

6 posts

Wannabe Geek

#1031503 26-Apr-2014 11:49

I have not used electronic harvesting. I have search for websites and paid other companies to physically do the same. Electronic harvesting is using software design to find email address automatically. Mine has been done manually by humans.

LennonNZ

2459 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 411

ID Verified

Trusted

#1031504 26-Apr-2014 11:50

I don't know 100% but the email address (I got my spam sent to) may have been taken from whois details.......

% Users are advised that the following activities are strictly forbidden.

% Using multiple WHOIS queries, or using the output of multiple WHOIS

% queries in conjunction with any other facility or service, to enable

% or effect a download of part or all of the .nz Register.

% Using any information contained in the WHOIS query output to attempt a

% targeted contact campaign with any person, or any organisation, using any

% medium.

% A breach of these conditions will be treated as a breach of the .nz Policies

% and Procedures. Sanctions in line with those specified in the policies and

% procedures at www.dnc.org.nz may result from any breach.

_Allan

153 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 1

Trusted

#1031506 26-Apr-2014 11:58

When I look at the properties of the email that Bellow sent me last week, they have addressed the email to a address that is not published on any web site. I have never conspicuously published that email address.

Bellow how do you justify sending me unsolicited mail?

_Allan (my blog, my tweets, company tweets, company web site)
Geekzone Speedtest - Download: 16.28 mbps Upload: 5.86 Mbps

New World

Shop on-line at New World now for your groceries (affiliate link).

Bellow

6 posts

Wannabe Geek

#1031507 26-Apr-2014 11:58

I thank you all for your feedback and just wanted to address this post. I have not intentionally tried to spam or have I collated email addresses by using electronic harvesting or from (to my knowledge) taken these from the whois registry. I am a small business in New Zealand trying to build a directory site. If by doing this or the way I have done this I have offended you (or broken the spam laws) I apologies and will have to hear from the Internal Affairs as you have outlined.

Bellow

freitasm

BDFL - Memuneh
80658 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 41071

Administrator

ID Verified

Trusted

Geekzone

Lifetime subscriber

#1031512 26-Apr-2014 12:13

On the bright side, it's good to see Bellow replying to the comments here. Well done.

Referral links: Quic Broadband (free setup code: R587125ERQ6VE) | Samsung | AliExpress | Wise | Sharesies

Support Geekzone by subscribing (browse ads-free), or making a one-off or recurring donation through PressPatron.

johnr

19282 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2526
Inactive user

#1031513 26-Apr-2014 12:14

freitasm: On the bright side, it's good to see Bellow replying to the comments here. Well done.

Have to agree +1

nate

6473 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 458

Retired Mod

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1031514 26-Apr-2014 12:20

LennonNZ: I don't know 100% but the email address (I got my spam sent to) may have been taken from whois details.......

Our email was taken off our WHOIS, and I know this as it's our stock standard email for ALL our company domains - hostmaster at 3bit dot co dot nz

It's not on our site anywhere as it's purely used for our domain admin.

1 | 2 | 3