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#1042041 12-May-2014 10:35

Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1042043 12-May-2014 10:37

Demeter: I'd be really interested to hear what kind of personal preparations GZ peeps have made to help them cope with natural disasters, doomsday events, etc.

For Natural Disasters that which is recommended by Civil Defense, as for Doomsday nothing except practicing a method to be able put my head between my legs and kiss my butt goodbye. :P

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1042044 12-May-2014 10:38

Demeter: I'd be really interested to hear what kind of personal preparations GZ peeps have made to help them cope with natural disasters, doomsday events, etc.

OK.

I have a container converted to a shelter. Solar panels for charging. Firearms and ammunition supplies for defence and food provision. A hunting bow for when the ammo runs out. 7500 litres of stored rainwater. A Katadyn ceramic water filter in case that gets used and we need to get river water. 3 tents available as spare shelters. Standard survival items galore like lightsticks, paracord, rope, fire steels, plastic sheeting, folding saws, tinned food, firewood, medical supplies and so on.

I probably don't have to worry beyond 6 months of total failure of the world though because once my prescription meds run out I will be dead within months of that happening!

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#1042047 12-May-2014 10:40

KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

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#1042049 12-May-2014 10:44

Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

You do realize it was a fatal attack ?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1042051 12-May-2014 10:45

KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

You do realize it was a fatal attack ?

Sure, but since they were Greenpeace activists I recall the prevailing view at the time was that we regarded them as acceptable losses at the time. Regrettable but we rather hoped to see the organisation disappear. It really wasn't a big deal anywhere but here.

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#1042052 12-May-2014 10:47

Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

The UN definition of terrorism... "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them"

The perpetrators were criminally prosecuted thus "Criminal act"

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#1042054 12-May-2014 10:48

Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

You do realize it was a fatal attack ?

Sure, but since they were Greenpeace activists I recall the prevailing view at the time was that we regarded them as acceptable losses at the time. Regrettable but we rather hoped to see the organisation disappear. It really wasn't a big deal anywhere but here.

I would rather as would the majority of New Zealanders and sane thinkers see the nuclear nations disappear.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1042069 12-May-2014 10:59

KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

The UN definition of terrorism... "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them"

The perpetrators were criminally prosecuted thus "Criminal act"

The agents were personally convicted of manslaughter and the state of France was not convicted of anything.

Indeed, the French clearly disagreed with the conviction, releasing the agents early and promoting them. The UN did not find that the act constituted terrorism, merely 'international delinquency'.

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#1042071 12-May-2014 10:59

KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

You do realize it was a fatal attack ?

Sure, but since they were Greenpeace activists I recall the prevailing view at the time was that we regarded them as acceptable losses at the time. Regrettable but we rather hoped to see the organisation disappear. It really wasn't a big deal anywhere but here.

I would rather as would the majority of New Zealanders and sane thinkers see the nuclear nations disappear.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

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#1042084 12-May-2014 11:17

Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

You do realize it was a fatal attack ?

Sure, but since they were Greenpeace activists I recall the prevailing view at the time was that we regarded them as acceptable losses at the time. Regrettable but we rather hoped to see the organisation disappear. It really wasn't a big deal anywhere but here.

I would rather as would the majority of New Zealanders and sane thinkers see the nuclear nations disappear.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

Where is that then in your opinion?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1042108 12-May-2014 11:32

KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
blackjack17:
Geektastic: The first terrorist attack on NZ soil (when, not if IMV) will cause some significant changes here regardless of whether it involves radioactivity.

We have had a terrorist attack

Rainbow warrior

Yeah, nah.

We elsewhere in the world regarded that as a victory for common sense, I can assure you. I was actually invited to a "Sink The Rainbow Warrior" dinner party at the time, as Greenpeace in the UK was regarded as a bunch of hippy PITA people.

Besides, French agents carrying out sanctioned activity on behalf of their government isn't terrorism.

not a lot of logic and common sense here :P

Plenty. A foreign government can carry out an act of war or aggression. It does not act as a terrorist.

Secondly, who really cares if hippies lose their boat? No big deal to me - or to many others. Greenpeace at the time were a major PITA in the UK causing endless trouble over nuclear weapons with their hippy chums at CND, so the loss of their ship was something of a delight to many of us at that time.

You do realize it was a fatal attack ?

Sure, but since they were Greenpeace activists I recall the prevailing view at the time was that we regarded them as acceptable losses at the time. Regrettable but we rather hoped to see the organisation disappear. It really wasn't a big deal anywhere but here.

I would rather as would the majority of New Zealanders and sane thinkers see the nuclear nations disappear.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

Where is that then in your opinion?

The world in which nuclear weapons, nuclear ships and nuclear power exist and will continue to do so despite the wishes of a small nation in the Pacific....

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#1042111 12-May-2014 11:34

yet this small Nuclear free nation is very sought after place to migrate to.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1042165 12-May-2014 12:06

Guys you don't need to quote the last 8 posts you made, it makes it difficult to read.

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#1042191 12-May-2014 12:32

Demeter: I'd be really interested to hear what kind of personal preparations GZ peeps have made to help them cope with natural disasters, doomsday events, etc.

A bonus with living in an isolated place is we're fairly self sufficient already.
If the rest of the country vanished we could likely do <10 people for a year or so..

Diesel main Generator, backup generators. Batteries. 48V inverter. 12V inverters.
All diesel vehicles, tractor, excavator, bulldozer, boat.
1000l diesel on site - more close by.
2 year supply of hydraulic oil/lubricants, spare parts.
4 x 45kg LPG tanks = approx 2 years for 10pp cooking.
Machining/repair shop. Welding/acetylene sets. Presses. Forge. Tire changing machine.
Building/plumbing supplies, tools. Alaska mill.
Self contained water & sewerage systems, water treatment plant.
Solar/wood fired water/heating system. Unlimited firewood.
Fruit trees, large gardens, stored food. Fishing. Edible animals!

But.. will likely be in the US or Canada during such doomsday event so will probably be the first to go..

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