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#2183851 19-Feb-2019 18:11

Lias:

I realize this won't be a popular opinion, but the only part I really find objectionable is that the stabber didn't own the horse. I think vegans are daft, but unlike the vast majority of people at least they are not hypocritical about animals. Most people are happy to eat meat (well at least the meat they are socially conditioned to eat, refer uproar over the eating of cats and dogs), but I can't count the times I've seen people calling for people who hurt animals to be killed/raped/get cancer/etc. I've never had a desire to hurt animals myself, but as far as I'm concerned if you own it you can do what the heck you like with it.

You are at least right on the very first part of your post. I am not a person who attributes human characteristics to animals, nor am I particularly precious when it comes to animals for food.

I am, however, feeling sick to my stomach that you believe it's ok to torture animals even if they DO belong to you.

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#2183859 19-Feb-2019 18:32

Lias:

but as far as I'm concerned if you own it you can do what the heck you like with it.

That's why we have animal welfare laws. So you're not allowed to do what the heck you like to animals. Ownership should make f.all difference.

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#2183860 19-Feb-2019 18:32

networkn: I am, however, feeling sick to my stomach that you believe it's ok to torture animals even if they DO belong to you.

Yes and looking at the replies and likes there must at least 4 people on here that think it's ok to stab your own mini horse 40 times as long as you own it. This thread is a dumpster fire already.

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#2183867 19-Feb-2019 19:01

gbwelly:
networkn: I am, however, feeling sick to my stomach that you believe it's ok to torture animals even if they DO belong to you.

Yes and looking at the replies and likes there must at least 4 people on here that think it's ok to stab your own mini horse 40 times as long as you own it. This thread is a dumpster fire already.

I think if you go back and read surfisup1000's post again the only part of Lias' post being agreed with is "I realize this won't be a popular opinion,"

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#2183881 19-Feb-2019 19:15

>I think if you go back and read surfisup1000's post again the only part of Lias' post being agreed with is "I realize this won't be a popular opinion," <

It's not unpopular, it is abhorrent! Next thing he will be advocating smacking/slapping/strapping children.

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#2183884 19-Feb-2019 19:19

Bung:
gbwelly:
networkn: I am, however, feeling sick to my stomach that you believe it's ok to torture animals even if they DO belong to you.

Yes and looking at the replies and likes there must at least 4 people on here that think it's ok to stab your own mini horse 40 times as long as you own it. This thread is a dumpster fire already.

I think if you go back and read surfisup1000's post again the only part of Lias' post being agreed with is "I realize this won't be a popular opinion,"

Phew! you are right, thank goodness, you've restored my faith in the geekzone community.

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#2183963 19-Feb-2019 20:29

Lias:

I've never had a desire to hurt animals myself, but as far as I'm concerned if you own it you can do what the heck you like with it.

Why?

If you're going to post something that you know is going to be so clearly inflammatory it would be useful to explain your 'reasoning'.

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#2183980 19-Feb-2019 21:07

jonathan18:

Lias:

I've never had a desire to hurt animals myself, but as far as I'm concerned if you own it you can do what the heck you like with it.

Why?

If you're going to post something that you know is going to be so clearly inflammatory it would be useful to explain your 'reasoning'.

Do you really want to know his reasoning? I don't.

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#2183982 19-Feb-2019 21:11

I saw this story on the news and am horrified by it. I realise that this kind of vicious, wanton cruelty exists but I do not comprehend it. I simply cannot understand what would motivate someone to do something like this, what they get from it, why they want to do it. I understand power, but this is something else. Killing animals for food is something else. Inflicting this kind of pain, such terror, on an uncomprehending animal, sickens me. It is a terrible thing to do to any living creature, for any reason. There can be no excuse. The person who did this needs to be apprehended and put away.

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#2183989 19-Feb-2019 21:40

ShinyChrome:I accept the pragmatic need to kill animals for food, but displaying a complete lack of empathy for another creature's suffering is quite disturbing frankly. Ownership has nothing to do with it, what you are referring to amounts to slavery.

I don't think there is a pragmatic need to kill animals for food, that still amounts to a situation worse than slavery (context by comparison here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0oXZXhSGZNIOa38rZ5CfRQ) . I can see the argument for culling introduced species that don't otherwise have a limiting predator if you're talking about pragmatic ways to maintain biodiversity.

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#2183990 19-Feb-2019 21:42

I consider myself the natural predator to control the population of Sheep and Lambs, Beef, Chicken, Deer, Pigs.

The planet would be overrun with these creatures if not for me! You're welcome!

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#2183991 19-Feb-2019 21:43

Rikkitic: Killing animals for food is something else. Inflicting this kind of pain, such terror, on an uncomprehending animal, sickens me. It is a terrible thing to do to any living creature, for any reason. There can be no excuse.

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#2184009 19-Feb-2019 22:41

rhy7s:

I am a vegetarian. I also believe the planet cannot sustain the production of meat as a primary food source in the long term. But I do not condemn people who choose to eat meat.

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#2184011 19-Feb-2019 22:51

jonathan18:

Lias:

I've never had a desire to hurt animals myself, but as far as I'm concerned if you own it you can do what the heck you like with it.

Why?

If you're going to post something that you know is going to be so clearly inflammatory it would be useful to explain your 'reasoning'.

Sorry been fairly busy today or i'd have replied sooner.

I just see them as a resource. The vast majority of people don't have issue with using animals as a companionship resource(pets), food resource, a fur/wool resource, etc. Varying amounts of people support sports/entertainments that involve animals (e.g. most people don't mind horse racing, plenty don't mind rodeo, some don't mind bull fighting, dog fighting, cock fighting etc.), hunting (often varying depending on how cute the animal is!), etc.

My brain just doesn't discriminate between animal vegetable or mineral, it's all something to be used as the owner sees fit. To me we either we stop all use of animals as resources that results in their death (e.g. we all become vegans), or we allow any use of animals. Allowing _some_ things that result in the death of animals and decrying others just feels hypocritical to me. I only really have one anecdotal experience with "animal abuse", when I was a kid I remember hearing about another kid at school nailing a bunch of kittens to a fence. I remember being a bit confused why someone would want to do that, but that was pretty much the only emotion.

Dunno if that gives you any insight..

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#2184012 19-Feb-2019 22:58

Rickles:

>I think if you go back and read surfisup1000's post again the only part of Lias' post being agreed with is "I realize this won't be a popular opinion," <

It's not unpopular, it is abhorrent! Next thing he will be advocating smacking/slapping/strapping children.

Rapidly heading off topic, but yes, I voted no in that referendum.. along with 85% of the country, so I don't think I'm too much of an outlier on that one..

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