The new 007 is a woman

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#2277053 15-Jul-2019 15:09

Rikkitic:

never mind its portrayal of women (though they were piloting aircraft and attacking Fort Knox).

Wait! You say that wasn't accurate?

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#2277217 15-Jul-2019 18:26

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I don't see any issue. The franchise needed to be modernised.

There is a modernised version, and his name is Sterling Archer :-P.

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#2277219 15-Jul-2019 18:29

I'm confused. She's not taking over as Bond but she is taking over as 007. James Bond the character is synonymous with the franchise. If James Bond is not going to be part of the franchise past this film, what is the franchise about anymore? Just any old spy called 007? Will the James Bond franchise now be known as the 007 franchise? Maybe the movie will provide all the answers in due course, but right now I can't see how it is going to work going forward.

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#2277253 15-Jul-2019 19:42

Journeyman:

I'm confused. She's not taking over as Bond but she is taking over as 007. James Bond the character is synonymous with the franchise. If James Bond is not going to be part of the franchise past this film, what is the franchise about anymore? Just any old spy called 007? Will the James Bond franchise now be known as the 007 franchise? Maybe the movie will provide all the answers in due course, but right now I can't see how it is going to work going forward.

It may be confusing but some old theories have been around to explain why "James Bond" changed during the years. Basically James Bond would be a codename, assigned to agents when they started working. That's why so many different Bond existed over the 50 something years of the franchise so far. 007 is just a license to kill and James Bond was assigned that - like 006 was assigned to someone else. 007 could be assigned to anyone, not necessarily Bond.

Yes, let the movie explain.

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#2277260 15-Jul-2019 20:05

If this was done because they interviewed a variety of Men and Women, and she was the truly best person for the job, then so be it, but if this was done for any other reason, then shame on them.

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#2277351 15-Jul-2019 21:15

freitasm:

Journeyman:

I'm confused. She's not taking over as Bond but she is taking over as 007. James Bond the character is synonymous with the franchise. If James Bond is not going to be part of the franchise past this film, what is the franchise about anymore? Just any old spy called 007? Will the James Bond franchise now be known as the 007 franchise? Maybe the movie will provide all the answers in due course, but right now I can't see how it is going to work going forward.

It may be confusing but some old theories have been around to explain why "James Bond" changed during the years. Basically James Bond would be a codename, assigned to agents when they started working. That's why so many different Bond existed over the 50 something years of the franchise so far. 007 is just a license to kill and James Bond was assigned that - like 006 was assigned to someone else. 007 could be assigned to anyone, not necessarily Bond.

Yes, let the movie explain.

Sure, but according to that theory, the codename James Bond has passed along with the code number 007. The direction they're taking now seems to be that the codename doesn't pass along with the number - they're separated.

While a lot of people complain about Bond being a misogynist, I actually like that he's a flawed character. He's arrogant, he's a womaniser, a heavy drinker and smoker, he's self-destructive (more so in the Daniel Craig era) and he doesn't follow rules. He's not a nice guy and he's the guy that is protecting Britain from the baddies. That's far more interesting than if Bond was a boy scout.

Hopefully the new 007 will have an interesting character who will be more than the same old "badass babe who doesn't take no guff from a man!" trope.

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#2277354 15-Jul-2019 21:43

Agree with the characterisation.

I guess we have to reserve comments until after the movie is released.

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#2277503 15-Jul-2019 22:21

She'll most likely be called Bond. Jane Bond. 007.

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#2277515 15-Jul-2019 23:41

This is all pretty daft. It's pretty clear from the article that the 007 being referred to is taking over as 007 from Daniel Craig's James Bond, not making James Bond a woman. It's a fun plot twist, not a new Bond.

Craig came back for the cash. There will be a reboot after this one with a new Bond. Save the snowflake outrage til then.

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#2277568 16-Jul-2019 08:53

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Not only female but black too. Ticking all the boxes. Producers should go for the trifecta and make the character LGBTQ as well.

And in a wheelchair.

why not?

... and I'm picking it would be a pretty kick*ss wheelchair at that!

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#2277578 16-Jul-2019 09:08

Can they make an Anime version as well? What about our fellow Anime fans? Don't they need our support (money) too?

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#2277582 16-Jul-2019 09:16

networkn:

If this was done because they interviewed a variety of Men and Women, and she was the truly best person for the job, then so be it, but if this was done for any other reason, then shame on them.

Well it would have been done because - money - to attract investors / punters.

Shame on capitalism. They used misogynistic stereotypes to their advantage, then shifted away from it when it wasn't.

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#2277610 16-Jul-2019 09:29

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networkn:

If this was done because they interviewed a variety of Men and Women, and she was the truly best person for the job, then so be it, but if this was done for any other reason, then shame on them.

Well it would have been done because - money - to attract investors / punters.

Shame on capitalism. They used misogynistic stereotypes to their advantage, then shifted away from it when it wasn't.

Yes, it is disgusting how film producers just want to make money.