Which restaurants does this guy run so I can not accidentally go to one?

Handle9:

 

That's the thing.

 

I tip in the US as it is a norm and expected so I do it. I don't get to make the rules.

 

I also tip here in the UAE a fair bit as the people I'm tipping don't make much money at all and tips can make a real difference to their lives. The difference is it's not expected as a norm, it's something you do because you want to.

 

Tipping as a choice is fine, tipping as an expectation sucks and should be actively discouraged.

 

There is a risk of a slippery slope.

Even if tipping start's off fully optional, soon the odds of getting tips in service role, means people will take those roles at lower pay rates than non service roles. Soon employers will be arguing for a reduced minimum wage for tipped worker's.

And then we end up the same situation as the US, where if a tipped worker is rostered on to a deserted shift, happen to be perceived as the wrong race, or doesn't play along with insulting or sexual comments by the customers, they will be going home with peanuts... 

Despite my dislike of tipping, when I travel, doing anything other than the local norm is an arsehole move. It is for the locals to set the culture, not the tourists.

Scott3:

 

Handle9:

 

That's the thing.

 

I tip in the US as it is a norm and expected so I do it. I don't get to make the rules.

 

I also tip here in the UAE a fair bit as the people I'm tipping don't make much money at all and tips can make a real difference to their lives. The difference is it's not expected as a norm, it's something you do because you want to.

 

Tipping as a choice is fine, tipping as an expectation sucks and should be actively discouraged.

 

 

There is a risk of a slippery slope.

Even if tipping start's off fully optional, soon the odds of getting tips in service role, means people will take those roles at lower pay rates than non service roles. Soon employers will be arguing for a reduced minimum wage for tipped worker's.

And then we end up the same situation as the US, where if a tipped worker is rostered on to a deserted shift, happen to be perceived as the wrong race, or doesn't play along with insulting or sexual comments by the customers, they will be going home with peanuts... 

 

Tipping has always been optional in New Zealand. It's not expected but some do, some/most don't.

Handle9: What a dick

Calling them a dick isn't enough. 

Gladly would tell the owner to get stuffed and pay their staff more and take care of them. Not pressure them to do dodgy shit like this.

Should note that if a employer wants to offer a bonus structure,  it is OK to fund it themselves, rather than relying on the will of their custermers.

It's been creeping into AKL for a while now, Viaduct and some inner city.

Will usually kindly remark that tipping is not for us and decline, have been surprised by how many of the FOH staff have remarked that it is just embarrassing for them.

richms:

 

Which restaurants does this guy run so I can not accidentally go to one?

 

Ponsonby? https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018949532/luke-dallow-planning-new-venture-on-ponsonby-road 

hsvhel:

 

It's been creeping into AKL for a while now, Viaduct and some inner city.

 

Will usually kindly remark that tipping is not for us and decline, have been surprised by how many of the FOH staff have remarked that it is just embarrassing for them.

 

Yeah, the prompts on EFTPOS machines started turning up a few years back in the area's you identified

I think it driven by the large volumes of international tourists, many from cultures where tipping is expected (to the point they feel bad if there isn't the means for them to leave a tip when they pay by credit card). While I don't like the prompts, at least it is a simple yes / no prompt, and I can't blame business for not turning done an extra few $$ for their staff from tourists. I think it is an option they need to have either on or off the whole time, they can't just turn if on if a customer asks to leave a tip...


Often the front of house staff person will reach over and click no before giving me the keypad. Sometimes if I look a bit confused, they will just tell me to push no...

Did go to one Britomart restaurant which had a note at the bottom of the menu stating that prices do not include service. Found that one a bit on the nose, but it's not the customers role to pay for it through tips in NZ.

I would never tip at a restaurant here, the minimum wage increase over the last few years has already forced prices up, and I think staff get a reasonable wage. On the other hand, I almost always tip on Uber Eats, and Uber, as I don't think the drivers are that well compensated, and a small tip makes quite a difference to them. When Uber first started in the US, there was no option to tip in the app and cash tips were discouraged, but it's now pretty common to give 15-20% in the US. Over here I mostly tip $3 to $5.

Yup. Also if the trip is very short then definitely tip because they're losing money on it.

And in the US make sure you always tip in restaurants.  Service workers are paid s**t wages and expected to make up the difference in tips, they're also taxed on the assumption that they're earning... used to be 12.5% from memory but that was some years ago, extra on top of their wages.  So if you don't tip you're actually taking money out of their pockets via the tax they're paying on un-earned income.

Truly a screwed-up system, like a lot of other stuff in the US.

Scott3:

 

Did go to one Britomart restaurant which had a note at the bottom of the menu stating that prices do not include service. Found that one a bit on the nose, but it's not the customers role to pay for it through tips in NZ.

 

Oh good - if the price doesn't include service, then I only need to pay half the GST 😂

neb:And in the US make sure you always tip in restaurants.  Service workers are paid s**t wages and expected to make up the difference in tips, they're also taxed on the assumption that they're earning... used to be 12.5% from memory but that was some years ago, extra on top of their wages.  So if you don't tip you're actually taking money out of their pockets via the tax they're paying on un-earned income.

 

Truly a screwed-up system, like a lot of other stuff in the US.

 

Hard agree. Some people take pride in not tipping in the US. They are a particular type of a-hole - they try and pretend its a moral crusade instead of just being a cheap f&^k.

It's the service workers that suffer, not the restaurants. It's a crap system but it's the system those people work under and taking money off them isn't what a decent person does.

As an American I say screw this guy and anyone else that tries to suggest compulsory tipping. I hate tipping in all forms. If someone goes well above and beyond, sure I might toss them something, but it should never be expected. It's so bad in the US, they even ask for tips when doing online checkout at some places. Screw that noise. 

Handle9:

 

Tipping has always been optional in New Zealand. It's not expected but some do, some/most don't.

 

Only place I have seen them actively try to get people to tip is at the airport hotel in Auckland. And they are probably preying on tourists that don't know any better.

I have actually had people actively dissuading me from tipping here, when I was new to the county and didn't know better. 

Floydblokes old thread's worth a read on this.

What an pathetic little parasite of a human being. What pathetic little gutter journalist gave this oxygen thief a pedestal to hawk their wares?