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  #3130218 21-Sep-2023 16:23
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ezbee:

 

Arbitrary fuel vehicle bans.

 

To be fair, it is an area where Adam Smiths 'hidden hand' can work.
The arbitrary ban is well very 'arbitrary'. Turns people contrarian.

 

 

 

 

You could apply all the same arguments to banning leaded petrol, or CFCs. And yet ... once the ban came info effect, it turned out that actually the world didn't end after all. Most of the very few vehicles that experienced significant knocking on unleaded petrol were tunable to fix it, and those that weren't were hardly lamented. There were plenty of other chemicals that we could use for refrigerants and propellants, so the switch to those was practically invisible.

 

As another poster said, if you want to be contrarian and still drive your old smoke-blower in 2030 nobody will stop you any more than they stop you driving a Model-T today. It will simply be a case of 99.99999% of drivers just won't, because hearing the engine go "brrrrrr" isn't worth the effort or expense. It might be fun to try it once, just for the experience, but you'll be glad you don't have to do it every day.

 

For the true special cases - and we're talking about 7 years from now - there will be exceptions. But they will be special cases. We already have solutions for the vast majority of use cases right now.





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  #3130277 21-Sep-2023 19:46
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The Troll Army of Big Oil

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  #3130280 21-Sep-2023 20:23
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Rikkitic:

Geektastic: Because in some countries they’re being forced to replace things that aren’t broken at considerable expense (for example gas central heating) and to replace it with things that don’t work as well.


No-one is being forced to replace anything. It will just cost them a lot more to continue living like Neanderthals. You can keep your ICE dinosaur as a classic and feed it $20 a litre petrol whenever you can find a specialty supplier who still sells petrol. 


 



There’s always this instead:

The European Union has agreed to make a carveout for synthetic fuels in its proposed 2035 ban on the sale of new combustion engine cars. Per the Associated Press, the bloc made a deal with Germany on Saturday to allow automakers to sell new ICE cars past 2035, provided those vehicles run on climate-neutral fuels only.







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  #3130281 21-Sep-2023 20:24
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MikeB4:

Sunak is a typical right wing politician with near perfect right wing credentials.



He’s a slightly right leaning centrist.

The most commonly made complaint about him is that he isn’t even Conservative. He’s very far from being being firmly right wing. You’d need to look to Eastern Europe these days to find anyone with those credentials.





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  #3130329 22-Sep-2023 08:08
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Geektastic:
MikeB4:

 

Sunak is a typical right wing politician with near perfect right wing credentials.

 



He’s a slightly right leaning centrist. 

 

 

 Che Guevara was a slightly right leaning centrist?



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  #3130337 22-Sep-2023 08:22
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Famously so.





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  #3130467 22-Sep-2023 13:36
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  #3130852 23-Sep-2023 08:37
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Uh does someone want to summarise that?

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  #3130854 23-Sep-2023 08:54
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There is no question insurance companies are big believers in climate change and trying to stay ahead of the curve. Large parts of California, Florida, and Louisiana are now uninsurable for some events or using incredibly expensive insurers of last resort.

CBS: Millions of American homeowners like Mary Morse find themselves stuck in a financial bind, facing mounting risks from wildfires and floods linked to climate change while their home insurance rates rocket upwards. Increasingly, the crowning blow comes when insurers withdraw coverage, leaving individuals and even entire communities vulnerable.

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  #3130855 23-Sep-2023 09:02
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gzt: Uh does someone want to summarise that?


Thunderfoot likes nuclear power. Thunderfoot is well-known for being a fake erudite: having or showing great knowledge or learning.

For more reasoned argument.

From 2 years ago



More 1 year ago


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  #3130903 23-Sep-2023 09:18
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kingdragonfly: 

Thunderfoot likes nuclear power. Thunderfoot is well-known for being a fake erudite: having or showing great knowledge or learning (without actually having great knowledge or learning).





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  #3130906 23-Sep-2023 09:29
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In the USA, State government insurance companies exist in 30 states with Colorado setting one up this year as an insurer of last resort for fire risk after insurance companies withdrew cover in many areas.

Florida's State Government insurance company of last resort is now one of the top ten insurance companies in the USA and insures only in Florida. Predictably, there are big solvency problems looming everwhere..

Florida Chamber of Commerce: If there is a major hurricane or several smaller hurricanes and Citizens Property Insurance depletes its reserves and is unable to pay claims, Citizens assesses Florida policyholders, also called a “hurricane tax”, to pay claims and eliminate its deficit. For Citizens customers, this could be a one-time assessment of up to 45 percent of their premium. For Floridians, this could equal up to a 30 percent assessment on homeowners’ insurance, auto insurance and other insurance premiums until the remaining deficit is eliminated.

..and only partly dealt with.

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  #3130917 23-Sep-2023 10:35
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gzt: Florida's State Government insurance company of last resort is now one of the top ten insurance companies in the USA and insures only in Florida. Predictably, there are big solvency problems looming everwhere..


Didn't Governor Ron "where woke goes to to die" DeSantis declare a “victims of communism day” in Florida so citizens can “learn about the dangers posed by socialism around the world and here at home”?

He purged favorable references to socialism from textbooks used in Florida schools, and he derides colleges teaching liberal values as “socialism factories.”

I guess he forgot how many ways Florida gets all that corrupt socialist money when a hurricane rolls through, plus all the retirees benefits from socialist government programs.

Elderly Florida Republicans cry socialism when young people request equal access to government benefits.

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  #3144974 10-Oct-2023 15:49
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Weather is getting more extreme in the US.

The US has recorded more than 13,000 record-high and more than 15,000 record-low temperatures so far this year, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

I don't think I'd like to live in Mckinney Texas. Greatest daily range, difference of high and low in one day, was 15 degrees. Luckily the highest temperature of 48C hasn't happened in a while.

105F = 40C
110F = 43C

Everyone in Mckinney Texas is dead


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  #3145032 10-Oct-2023 19:46
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Geektastic:
Rikkitic:

 

No-one is being forced to replace anything. It will just cost them a lot more to continue living like Neanderthals. You can keep your ICE dinosaur as a classic and feed it $20 a litre petrol whenever you can find a specialty supplier who still sells petrol. 

 



There’s always this instead:

The European Union has agreed to make a carveout for synthetic fuels in its proposed 2035 ban on the sale of new combustion engine cars. Per the Associated Press, the bloc made a deal with Germany on Saturday to allow automakers to sell new ICE cars past 2035, provided those vehicles run on climate-neutral fuels only.

 

But you can't put this stuff into your future classic car, the engine would have to be really historic (from the 80s) and work with a fairly low compression factor - these engines don't care much about synthetics.





     

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