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#574349 28-Jan-2012 11:16

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gzt: That would be interesting and fun project, but make sure you get the science right. The presence or otherwise of these elements will not tell you very much at all. The tests I have read elsewhere are badly performed, and on top of that misinterpret the results generated.

I have already made an enquiry with my Father who works for DOC in the Waimakariri district. His Bio guys will conduct the tests at some stage in the next few months.

There is a lot more to a science project than the testing. If you do not understand this, any data you get from the tests will be worthless as evidence.

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#574354 28-Jan-2012 11:25

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BurningBeard: Barium does occur naturally. It's generally present in particulate form (from industrial emissions.) It can be found in igneous and sedimentary rocks.

I'm aware but levels of Barium in the enviroment are very low. The air most people breathe has approximately 0.0015 parts of Barium per billion (ppb) - It's much higher amounts then this that raises the alarm to human health impacts.

Wouldn't you want to sample these trails directly if you were trying to prove that's what's happening?

Acquiring an aeroplane that can fly at stratosphere altitude is a little hard to come by...

how about a weather balloon, that would eb able to get there and all you would need to do is test the air behind a plane

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#574358 28-Jan-2012 11:35

BurningBeard: Such as...?

Are you asking for the amount it would take to become a human hazard? Long term exposure to small amounts of Barium over a long period have not been studied conclusively that I know of but high amounts tested on 'lab rats' have had drastic negative effects to my understanding.

But do-able. Where are these so-called experts in the field of chemtrails and why aren't they attempting this?

I agree with you in the sense that it is do-able but is also very costly. Put it this way if I knew someone or an organisation that could conduct the research & fly a plane to harvest metals out of chemtrails, then that would be great but to my knowledge I don't know of any.

Yet...

I guess for now we have to trust that they are what they look like - condensation trails.

You make a good point & it is valid in my eyes. I still think it's early days yet on this particular topic (chemtrails/geoengineering)

Not all of us have subscribed to the belief that global warming is even happening...

Though I'm sure with a conspiracy as massive at this (it's involve many, many thousands of individuals) there'll be whistle-blowers falling over themselves to bust this story out.

Can you please elaborate what you mean by this statement? ^^^

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#574359 28-Jan-2012 11:39

gzt:
cgrew:
gzt: That would be interesting and fun project, but make sure you get the science right. The presence or otherwise of these elements will not tell you very much at all. The tests I have read elsewhere are badly performed, and on top of that misinterpret the results generated.

I have already made an enquiry with my Father who works for DOC in the Waimakariri district. His Bio guys will conduct the tests at some stage in the next few months.

There is a lot more to a science project than the testing. If you do not understand this, any data you get from the tests will be worthless as evidence.

No doubt, that's why I originally thought this would be a good site to post this sort of data & info - to obtain a better understanding of this from critical thinking.

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#574360 28-Jan-2012 11:45

pageweon:
cgrew:
BurningBeard: Barium does occur naturally. It's generally present in particulate form (from industrial emissions.) It can be found in igneous and sedimentary rocks.

I'm aware but levels of Barium in the enviroment are very low. The air most people breathe has approximately 0.0015 parts of Barium per billion (ppb) - It's much higher amounts then this that raises the alarm to human health impacts.

Wouldn't you want to sample these trails directly if you were trying to prove that's what's happening?

Acquiring an aeroplane that can fly at stratosphere altitude is a little hard to come by...

how about a weather balloon, that would eb able to get there and all you would need to do is test the air behind a plane

Weather balloon would work, I'm not sure at what altitude they can operate/expand but I do know that the stratosphere is freaking high. Like 50km above the surface of latitudes

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#574362 28-Jan-2012 12:03

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gzt:
cgrew:
gzt: That would be interesting and fun project, but make sure you get the science right. The presence or otherwise of these elements will not tell you very much at all. The tests I have read elsewhere are badly performed, and on top of that misinterpret the results generated.

I have already made an enquiry with my Father who works for DOC in the Waimakariri district. His Bio guys will conduct the tests at some stage in the next few months.

There is a lot more to a science project than the testing. If you do not understand this, any data you get from the tests will be worthless as evidence.

No doubt, that's why I originally thought this would be a good site to post this sort of data & info - to obtain a better understanding of this from critical thinking.

It would be sensible to understand the different forms of barium. And which forms are actually being tested for, and the strengths and limitations of various testing techniques. Next you need to understand the environmental sources and forms of barium, and possible sources of contamination of your test equipment and test samples in order to eliminate them. Doing it properly is serious science and will actually require some serious thinking and research.

http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele056.html

I suggest you work towards creating a research proposal which outlines the challenges you face in this, the science, and the solutions.

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#574366 28-Jan-2012 12:12

gzt:
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele056.html

I suggest you work towards creating a research proposal which outlines the challenges you face in this, the science, and the solutions.

+1 (watch this space)

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#574369 28-Jan-2012 12:17

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gzt:
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele056.html

I suggest you work towards creating a research proposal which outlines the challenges you face in this, the science, and the solutions.

+1 (watch this space)

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#574392 28-Jan-2012 13:23

BurningBeard:
DravidDavid: What would be the most unfounded one you have come across recently? Just out of interest.

Recently? Hmmm, probably that the ChCh earthquakes were either deliberately man-made or that they were known about but nobody was told.

Thankfully I have not heard nor read the name K*n R**g in the news media of late.

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#574393 28-Jan-2012 13:24

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BurningBeard:
DravidDavid: What would be the most unfounded one you have come across recently? Just out of interest.

Recently? Hmmm, probably that the ChCh earthquakes were either deliberately man-made or that they were known about but nobody was told.

Thankfully I have not heard nor read the name K*n R**g in the news media of late.

Why the censoring?

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#574409 28-Jan-2012 14:35

cgrew: Not all of us have subscribed to the belief that global warming is even happening...

97.5% of climate scientists worldwide have.

Can you please elaborate what you mean by this statement? ^^^

For people to be sneaking chemicals onto the planes there'd surely have to be a fairly large number of people involved in making the alleged chemtrails happen. People manufacturing it, transporting it, fitting it, setting them off etc.

The more people involved in a conspiracy, the more likely it is that people involved would come forward.

cgrew: I agree with you in the sense that it is do-able but is also very costly. Put it this way if I knew someone or an organisation that could conduct the research & fly a plane to harvest metals out of chemtrails, then that would be great but to my knowledge I don't know of any.

Perhaps ask Prince. He's been waffling on about chemtrails and other silly conspiracy for ages. I'm sure he's looooaaaaded.

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#574575 29-Jan-2012 12:24

BurningBeard: 97.5% of climate scientists worldwide have.

Good for them - I'm sure 10,000 years ago 97.5% of climate scientists would also agree world wide that there is an ice age occuring too. (Hence why we had giant woolly mammoths roaming the land)

Global Warming in my opinion seems to be more political then anything, I still believe it's only a very vague theory. I mean if it's such a threat, why are 'we' still using petroleum? It doesn't make any sense to me other then it makes for a good business prospect.

BurningBeard: For people to be sneaking chemicals onto the planes there'd surely have to be a fairly large number of people involved in making the alleged chemtrails happen. People manufacturing it, transporting it, fitting it, setting them off etc.

To me it would make more sense that 'geoengineers' would be using their own aircraft to deploy stratospheric aerosols, rather then to "sneak" chemicals onto commercial aeroplanes...

BurningBeard: Perhaps ask Prince. He's been waffling on about chemtrails and other silly conspiracy for ages. I'm sure he's looooaaaaded.

I wouldn't know? What else silly ideas does Mr Nelson subscribe to?

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#574580 29-Jan-2012 12:36

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BurningBeard:
DravidDavid: What would be the most unfounded one you have come across recently? Just out of interest.

Recently? Hmmm, probably that the ChCh earthquakes were either deliberately man-made or that they were known about but nobody was told.

Thankfully I have not heard nor read the name K*n R**g in the news media of late.

I'm surprised that the 'media' had no idea of the phycological impacts his theories would have on society. It makes me wonder almost why they even bothered putting this man on television??

Considering large quakes have been occuring globally recently, it may be to do with this.

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#574648 29-Jan-2012 16:02

This article seems apt today...

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#574713 29-Jan-2012 20:33

BurningBeard: This article seems apt today...

Hahaha from the comments:
"Mary Anne Landers · Top Commenter · University of Arkansas; My favorite recent wacky conspiracy theory: Michael Jackson is alive because he and his sister LaToya are the same person."He sure did look freaky.

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