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#546751 18-Nov-2011 08:48

What worries me is that all this good intention ends up in an anarchic state, which is them suppressed by an oppressive state...

Yes, these folks have not attended their history classes.

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#546772 18-Nov-2011 09:52

freitasm: As thought, these guys have no idea what they are talking about: http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-ows-demands/

Right at the top of that page - "This content is user submitted and not an official statement".

It is just a post in the "public forum" area of OWS, not an OWS statement of any kind.

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#546775 18-Nov-2011 09:55

Communism

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#546778 18-Nov-2011 10:03

codyc1515: Communism

No. I very much doubt it.

Although it could easily be construed as an idealistic version of that.
But as Mauricio has said they haven't read their history, as idealistic systems rely on tight controls and dictators.

But then overall I still think the whole Occupy thing is really a symptomatic movement, which history will place in context with some greater global change.

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#546780 18-Nov-2011 10:06

As above. A repressive/oppressive state is not always a communist state. There are lots of extreme right examples of this.

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#546788 18-Nov-2011 10:22

freitasm: As above. A repressive/oppressive state is not always a communist state. There are lots of extreme right examples of this.

Very true. You can also argue that once you get to extreme right and extreme left there is very little difference between the two

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#546789 18-Nov-2011 10:23

Apart from how you spin the "truth" (the baseline ideology) everything turns into custard.

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#546806 18-Nov-2011 10:59

Several thousand people (present est 5k) marching in NY (4.48pm EST). Expected to get bigger closer to 5pm. This is the national day of protest etc called in response to the clearing of Zuccotti park.

Live stream: http://www.ustream.tv/theother99
Second channel: http://www.ustream.tv/theother99channel2
1st live stream + aerial views mixed in: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

They just reported a black block (some kind of anarchists maybe) attempted to create a barricade from trash skips (maybe in preparation for something) and were stopped from doing so by other occupy wall street people.

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#546810 18-Nov-2011 11:10

freitasm: Apart from how you spin the "truth" (the baseline ideology) everything turns into custard.

Exactly - but hey - why let history get in the way of ideology :)

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#546821 18-Nov-2011 11:43

ScottStevensNZ:
freitasm: As above. A repressive/oppressive state is not always a communist state. There are lots of extreme right examples of this.

Very true. You can also argue that once you get to extreme right and extreme left there is very little difference between the two

It's quite probably circular.... too far left becomes too far right, and vice versa.

As you suggest....once things get too extreme the actual left-and-right of it become lost in mechanisms of the state, and individually you probably become more interested in survival

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#555269 8-Dec-2011 01:44

Not too sure how this could be defended, what we're the grounds for the strip search?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAkUB7jRb2c

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#555281 8-Dec-2011 07:40

Where was that? Those looked like Aussie police vests?

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#555300 8-Dec-2011 08:31

lyonrouge: Where was that? Those looked like Aussie police vests?

Stuff / The Age : Assault allegations will be investigated after Australian police stripped an Occupy Melbourne protester from her "tent dress" and left her in her underwear.

Full article: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/6101138/Police-strip-Occupy-Melbourne-protester

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#555302 8-Dec-2011 08:37

codyc1515: Not too sure how this could be defended, what we're the grounds for the strip search?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAkUB7jRb2c

Now watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGBTes_VHAk , of what happened before they took the tent off the lady, it's convenient the most viewed video is an edited copy without immature behaviour of winding up the cops before hand. I'm surprised they held off for that long really, what did the protesters expect to happen?

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#555328 8-Dec-2011 09:34

Yeah, I'm not sure that helps a cause that 99% of us see as having no direction nor tangible outcome, the little interest I had in this movement as a vehicle for change has now completely disappeared.

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