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#2153418 2-Jan-2019 17:49

davidcole: And while supermarkets used to take their junk packaging plastic back, with the ban coming in force yesterday all our local have taken it upon themselves to reverse soft plastics recycling bins.

So we need to start leaving it at the checkouts so they get the message.

If you look back a few pages. It's not because of the ban

Malaysia and Melbourne now won't take them from outside own countries. No-one was buying the product NZ company made of them. And it was so popular it's now stockpiled with nothing to do with.

As they say. A victim of it's own success

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#2153422 2-Jan-2019 17:58

Regardless of the "why" or "where fors", the ban is a pathetic joke!!!

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#2153427 2-Jan-2019 18:06

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davidcole: And while supermarkets used to take their junk packaging plastic back, with the ban coming in force yesterday all our local have taken it upon themselves to reverse soft plastics recycling bins.

So we need to start leaving it at the checkouts so they get the message.

If you look back a few pages. It's not because of the ban

Malaysia and Melbourne now won't take them from outside own countries. No-one was buying the product NZ company made of them. And it was so popular it's now stockpiled with nothing to do with.

As they say. A victim of it's own success

No I know. But very coincidental the timing. Oh look we’re banning plastic bags, aren’t we so good....while quietly also taking away a soft plastics collection. I don’t care if none is taking it, it starts putting the responsibility back to who is using a fair chunk of plastics packaging

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#2153469 2-Jan-2019 18:52

Rikkitic:

amiga500:

I've used re-usable bags for at least the last ten years so I have no problem with this. However what is this ban really going to achieve? It will stop oil being used to make plastic bags - surely far less harmful than burning the stuff as petrol, diesel, or Jet A1, etc. The huge majority of those single use bags finished up in landfill not in the ocean. Meanwhile all the oil industry experts seem to be predicting that oil will stay down in price for 2019 as Opec, Russia and others don't want to cut production. So with cheaper oil and petrol people will use their cars more, do more overseas flights and have a far greater impact on the climate and ecological system than the tiny percentage of plastic bags getting into the ocean. For example, if petrol was at $2.60 a litre how much enthusiasm would there have been by the boy racers to do their 4 avenues invasion stuff in Christchurch a few days ago? It will make people feel good and virtuous though.

Another example of a mobilisation of the populace towards a common goal was in Britain during WW2. They ran a campaign for people to bring spare pots and pans to make Spitfires. Hardly any of the pots and pans brought to collection centres was the right type of high quality aluminium that would have been any use at all to the war effort - but it made people feel they were doing their bit while in fact they were only creating another problem with the mounds of useless scrap metal.

Honestly, I don't understand the point of posts like this. What are you saying - that no-one should try to do anything because it only has symbolic value? My earlier point was that at least it's a start, even if only a false start. It raises public awareness of the issue and - who knows? - possibly even does a tiny bit of good. What is the problem with that? More important, what alternative do you propose? If you think the ban is a wasted effort, what have you got that is better? What is the point of undermining a well-intentioned effort if you don't have anything else to put in its place?

Yes, it does some good, I don't deny that. Something that would do more good would be a voluntary carless day for those that could plan their week around it. Another would be tax breaks for companies that did conferences by video links instead of getting on planes.

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#2153485 2-Jan-2019 19:47

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amiga500:

It's like the corrugated iron air raid shelters they used in Britain - it keeps the populace contented.

No, it's a small start that will reduce a small portion of some of the worst single use plastic pollution.

IMO, in New Zealand that doesn't apply. It's imported "conscientiousness raising" (aka brainwashing*), which is very important for many countries; their plastic bag problems have to be seen to be believed. IMO we've got our own pollution problems we need to focus on, and I have suspicion the plastic bag thing is a diversion from them. I am sceptical about the "we've got to start somewhere" argument; we should start with the worst problems. * Note that brainwashing works; my generation was certainly brainwashed about "litter".

And we don't. You didn't even say what the worst problems are. So, a pretty much wasted post.

In any case, it's too late to bother about litter and climate change, the reasons are obvious.

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#2153486 2-Jan-2019 19:55

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It’s not a minimally inconveniencing thing when don’t have own bag.

When have own bag fine, but I don’t plan every purchase, and I don’t take the car with me on every trip.

I can see times when I’ll have to for go buying stuff as have no way of carrying it, unless shops come up with alternative cheap bag alternative.

I know the reusable bags won’t be thrown away as often but I saw one on the road the other day.

If you plan on going shopping and not taking your car, then take a bag with you when you head out. Thinking ahead, it's not difficult.

Anyway, just back from a New World shop on the first day of no more single use bags. Apart from one tattered re-used Countdown plastic bag, everyone else were using non-plastic reusable bags. I saw one staff member packing a paper bag, so presumably this is an option as well. On my way in, a kid walked out holding two cans of coke - last week he would have been carrying a plastic bag with two cans of coke inside.

No discernible riots. I double checked outside: sky not falling and no plague of frogs. Early days, but I reckon we are going to survive this one (-;

Yeah, I employed an entourage. Donald loaned me a few black clothed guys with machine guns. Like the ones on top the White House when the three choppers arrive.

Humour aside, its never been a big deal, yet its made out to be. Its low hanging fruit, easy to implement. But as stated many times before, and ignored, there are other steps in place to continue the plastic war.

Its New Year, and what I feel is that while we all know what PC is, Politically Correct, the theme these days is to be anti PC, bags one example. And we wonder why we see more and more alt-right leaders coming into play. The extreme ideology overrules common sense.

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tdgeek:

dafman:

rugrat:

It’s not a minimally inconveniencing thing when don’t have own bag.

When have own bag fine, but I don’t plan every purchase, and I don’t take the car with me on every trip.

I can see times when I’ll have to for go buying stuff as have no way of carrying it, unless shops come up with alternative cheap bag alternative.

I know the reusable bags won’t be thrown away as often but I saw one on the road the other day.

If you plan on going shopping and not taking your car, then take a bag with you when you head out. Thinking ahead, it's not difficult.

Anyway, just back from a New World shop on the first day of no more single use bags. Apart from one tattered re-used Countdown plastic bag, everyone else were using non-plastic reusable bags. I saw one staff member packing a paper bag, so presumably this is an option as well. On my way in, a kid walked out holding two cans of coke - last week he would have been carrying a plastic bag with two cans of coke inside.

No discernible riots. I double checked outside: sky not falling and no plague of frogs. Early days, but I reckon we are going to survive this one (-;

Yeah, I employed an entourage. Donald loaned me a few black clothed guys with machine guns. Like the ones on top the White House when the three choppers arrive.

Humour aside, its never been a big deal, yet its made out to be. Its low hanging fruit, easy to implement. But as stated many times before, and ignored, there are other steps in place to continue the plastic war.

Its New Year, and what I feel is that while we all know what PC is, Politically Correct, the theme these days is to be anti PC, bags one example. And we wonder why we see more and more alt-right leaders coming into play. The extreme ideology overrules common sense.

So you are ok with Whales, Dolphins, Turtles and other sea creatures having drawn out painful deaths so some can a thin plastic bag to take food home. All creatures are linked including Humans, we are destroying our oceans, when they die we will die. Using re-useable bags is simple we have been doing it for years maybe I should write a how to. Honestly the opposition to the ban is a pathetic all about me attitude and bugger everyone and everything else. With that I am out.

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#2153496 2-Jan-2019 20:20

Zippity:

What pisses me off is the fact that 80% or more of the grocery items we purchase are packaged in plastic.

PC madness at its best!!

You have a narrow view. How many times has it been stated that there are multi stages to plastic. Or do you expect it will be all sorted in 6 days and we rest on the 7th??

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#2153500 2-Jan-2019 20:48

tdgeek:

Zippity:

What pisses me off is the fact that 80% or more of the grocery items we purchase are packaged in plastic.

PC madness at its best!!

You have a narrow view. How many times has it been stated that there are multi stages to plastic. Or do you expect it will be all sorted in 6 days and we rest on the 7th??

Yep.

You sound like a green to me.........................

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#2154757 5-Jan-2019 11:24

These are yummy... But when I bought the bag I didn't realise they were also individually wrapped:

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#2154820 5-Jan-2019 12:29

So they don't dry out while waiting to be eaten?

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#2154833 5-Jan-2019 12:44

They are already inside a large plastic bag that can easily be sealed. They are eaten pretty quickly. Individual wrappings is a waste.

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#2154842 5-Jan-2019 13:13

I don't know if it is conincidence but since NW and P&S ditched bags on the 1st their damn self checkouts seem to complain at every little weight difference.

The other day I had to get the person watching the express to come over and sort it out four times, first it complained because the bag I brought with me was obviously heavier or lighter than it wanted, then it complained variously about different products as they were being put in, either too heavy or too light.

Not isolated either the next day at NW similar experience, rejected the bag weight, complained about some products, and complained again when I added another bag which wasn't even a special bag just a "single use" one I had in my pocket.

It's enough to just make me take a trolley through to avoid using a bag entirely, or abscond with the basket.

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#2154844 5-Jan-2019 13:18

I have never understood why I should be expected to do the work of the check-out staff for nothing. I never use self-service. I will consider it if they want to pay me the same as their other workers.

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#2154850 5-Jan-2019 13:32

Rikkitic:

I have never understood why I should be expected to do the work of the check-out staff for nothing. I never use self-service. I will consider it if they want to pay me the same as their other workers

In theory quicker - even if scanning itself takes longer the fact that there's like 16 self-checkouts in the space that 4 aisles would be, that's a lot higher throughput, less queuing time.

And you don't have to deal with inane pleasantries or comments about whatever it is you are buying.

I just wish that supermarket operators would crack the whip on the self-checkout supervising staff. I can't be the only one who has stood waiting and a self-checkout which needs a staff member for minutes while the staff on duty blithely ignores the flashing red light and the "please wait for assistance" repeatedly blaring out.

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