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#3271333 14-Aug-2024 09:58

I believe the former point above relates to a feed supplement being classified as "veterinary medicine" in NZ which has an effect of requiring approvals before sale or something along those lines.

It is not a genetic modification issue.

No need to add any fuel to Collins' potential GMO regulation bonfire if that's what it becomes.

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#3271344 14-Aug-2024 10:19

gzt: I believe the former point above relates to a feed supplement being classified as "veterinary medicine" in NZ which has an effect of requiring approvals before sale or something along those lines.

It is not a genetic modification issue.

No need to add any fuel to Collins' potential GMO regulation bonfire if that's what it becomes.

She's talking about GE grass already:

Collins used the example modified grasses, which should reduce methane emissions from cows. She said there had been breakthroughs at New Zealand biotech labs, but they had to relocate that study to the US to do field testing.

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#3271377 14-Aug-2024 12:43

I see yes. Dairy is a good example where there is a non-gmo solution available and that non-gmo solution is apparently prevented or impeded somewhat by a completely different regulation in the veterinary medicine area.

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#3271595 14-Aug-2024 17:17

It is disconcerting to see people cutting back on electricity and water consumption and taking sensible measures to cope with the rising temperatures, only to then see insane amounts of power-hungry air conditioning units and swimming pools that waste drinking water being installed in gardens everywhere as a countermeasure.

Well, what can you say? Keep calm and carry on. Everyone has a different understanding of what it means to do something about global warming.

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#3271597 14-Aug-2024 17:34

There is a very big difference in what you see one person or family undertake as a sacrifice or change in behaviour or expectation in order to decrease their contributions to climate change - compared to another person or family. As you said - one will have an outdoor swimming pool and think having it any cooler than normal in winter is an unacceptable concession - while another family will all read or do homework in the same room at night so they don't need to heat or light as much of their house - and think of that as a sensible change.

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#3271600 14-Aug-2024 17:42

Family 1 may be excessive in many ways, but family 2 may also have been the same if they weren't aware of the consequences.

So still a net improvement.

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#3271676 15-Aug-2024 07:36

Canuckabroad:

I recently checked the temperatures in Northern Canada, and records everywhere were being broken with temps between 29C and 35C including areas that have had permafrost since the last ice age. There are just too many records relating to heat around the planet that are being broken on a daily basis now. The rate of change we're seeing is visibly growing.

Permafrost is non or low decomposed plant matter. It oozes methane when thawed. Years ago a doco in Russia poked a hole in the permafrost, light a lighter they got flame. Temp was maybe -1. Underground its thawing. The methane leaks across Russia as one example is a huge issue. Feedback loop

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#3271714 15-Aug-2024 08:42

Yep, unfortunately it's similar to the polar (and antarctic) ice caps melting - the more it starts to happen, the more it creates conditions to continue and accelerate. Permafrost melting releases greenhouse gases that raise temperatures and increase the rate of melting. Ice caps melting cause less sunlight to be reflected back and more is absorbed and causes additional melting. What we're seeing is a system that has been set in motion and even if humans were to stop their contributions to climate change today - it would continue to happen for decades. At this point there is no stopping or reversing climate change in any human-span timeframe, but we can decrease and stop our contributions which impact how fast it is occurring, and also impacts the eventual magnitude of the point at which the system stops and starts to move backwards.

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#3271799 15-Aug-2024 09:16

Canuckabroad:

Yep, unfortunately it's similar to the polar (and antarctic) ice caps melting - the more it starts to happen, the more it creates conditions to continue and accelerate. Permafrost melting releases greenhouse gases that raise temperatures and increase the rate of melting. Ice caps melting cause less sunlight to be reflected back and more is absorbed and causes additional melting. What we're seeing is a system that has been set in motion and even if humans were to stop their contributions to climate change today - it would continue to happen for decades. At this point there is no stopping or reversing climate change in any human-span timeframe, but we can decrease and stop our contributions which impact how fast it is occurring, and also impacts the eventual magnitude of the point at which the system stops and starts to move backwards.

In the meantime we will have WWIII as large countries look to secure habitable land, food and water.

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#3271863 15-Aug-2024 09:39

It probably will start more locally than immediately launching into global conflict. There are many places in the world where a single large river supplies the major water source for multiple countries, and thus if the water in said river starts to become less reliable then the last country who can no longer get enough water immediately has a conflict with its neighbours who it will accuse of taking too much and not leaving enough for them. I agree - we are going to see military conflicts resulting from water and food uncertainty as weather and climate make it more difficult for us to grow food.

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#3272100 15-Aug-2024 15:58

Canuckabroad:

It probably will start more locally than immediately launching into global conflict. There are many places in the world where a single large river supplies the major water source for multiple countries, and thus if the water in said river starts to become less reliable then the last country who can no longer get enough water immediately has a conflict with its neighbours who it will accuse of taking too much and not leaving enough for them. I agree - we are going to see military conflicts resulting from water and food uncertainty as weather and climate make it more difficult for us to grow food.

Worse still, nations in the Global North will use climate refugees as a convenient excuse to raise the drawbridge on the Global South at any cost - even going as far as deliberately sinking refugee boats - if eco-Fascist doctrine infests the corridors of power.

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#3287338 28-Sep-2024 19:33

Richard Lynn Scott has been a United States senator from Florida since 2019. A member of the Republican Party, he was the governor of Florida from 2011 to 2019.

The Big Bend region of Florida covers an area of approximately 350 kilometers along the US Gulf Coast.

Like most of Florida, the area is mostly flat and coastal. On average, the area is about 20 feet , 6 meters, 2 stories above sea level

Florida Politics: Rick Scott says Helene shows ‘the climate is clearly changing’

Though the concept of climate change has been removed from state law in recent months, Florida’s former Governor is saying he agrees with mainstream scientists on the issue.

“The climate is clearly changing,” U.S. Sen. Rick Scott said on CNN, addressing the destruction left by Hurricane Helene.

“We know things are changing. We’ve got to figure out, how do we react to that?” Scott added, answering host Dana Bash’s inquiries about the subject.

Scott cited storm surge as a compounding problem.

“It seems like what’s happening is the storm surge is getting worse. I mean, we had over 10 foot of storm surge in the Big Bend,” Scott said. “That’s a massive amount of water.”

The Senator wasn’t finished, saying again “who knows what the reason is, but something is changing” to create “massive storm surge.”
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In 2015, former state officials said that “climate change” and other related terms were banned.
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“We were told not to use the terms ‘climate change,’ ‘global warming’ or ‘sustainability,’” said Christopher Byrd, an attorney with the Department of Environmental Protection’s (DEP) Office of General Counsel until 2013. “That message was communicated to me and my colleagues by our superiors in the Office of General Counsel.”

Others corroborated Byrd’s claim that “climate change” and “global warming” were forbidden, including staffers in Tallahassee and workers throughout the state.
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the term had been stripped from environmental reports in favor of phrasings like “climate drivers” and “climate-driven changes.”
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#3287434 29-Sep-2024 10:00

Stew Peters is a commentator on Musk's "X"/Twitter. He has previously claimed COVID was spread by snakebites, vaccine cause miscarriages, pro-Russian, Holocaust denier, anti-LGBTQ, anti-Semitic, and shares white supremacist beliefs.

He posted this about Hurricane Helene: "Weird how 'Hurricane Helene' literally pops up out of nowhere according to The Weather Channel's own radar"

The same information was posted on Facebook claiming weather manipulation.

US meteorologists tracking Helene using satellites for days before its landfall in Florida on September 26.

The Weather Company -- which owns the Weather Channel and its app -- said that the network's "meteorologists were tracking Helene's path for days to keep people informed and safe."

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#3288255 30-Sep-2024 15:53

kingdragonfly: Stew Peters is a commentator on Musk's "X"/Twitter. He has previously claimed COVID was spread by snakebites, vaccine cause miscarriages, pro-Russian, Holocaust denier, anti-LGBTQ, anti-Semitic, and shares white supremacist beliefs.

He posted this about Hurricane Helene: "Weird how 'Hurricane Helene' literally pops up out of nowhere according to The Weather Channel's own radar"

The same information was posted on Facebook claiming weather manipulation.

US meteorologists tracking Helene using satellites for days before its landfall in Florida on September 26.

The Weather Company -- which owns the Weather Channel and its app -- said that the network's "meteorologists were tracking Helene's path for days to keep people informed and safe."

Remember the tin-foil hatter in Canada who claimed bushfires were a govt false flag, only to be caught starting them himself? When it gets to the point where natural disasters are seen to be concocted by the "Deep State"... would the Stew Peters of this world rather drown or burn when the disasters come for them, than accept greed & gluttony aren't virtues?

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#3309807 17-Nov-2024 08:08

apparently the UN Climate Change set up is just one big band of fossil fuel lobbyist having a good party laughing at your electric cars

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