When working a 68-hour week still doesn't cut it

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#902201 25-Sep-2013 07:58

Johnk:
To add to the above, I started bringing up a family of four in Auckland on 55k closer to 65k now, sure that's a struggle, but we make do.
But I'm thankful for the small bit the govt does with WFF to help ends meet.

If I want to earn more money I know that I need to either retrain, up skill, or start my own business up ( I work in the construction industry)

Likewise, it wasn't many years ago we were managing in Auckland with 3 on just over 50k.

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#902307 25-Sep-2013 10:50

Klipspringer: I disagree. Smoking is an expensive habit and it can cost an average smoker about $17 per day. Ask me, I'm an ex smoker.

Then you know how hard it is to quit. If you scroll down his facebook you'll see that he has tried, made it to at least 27 days. Not everyone has sterling willpower 24/7 and it only take one to get hooked again.

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dickytim: We had a storeman a while ago, he did the same thing to Campbell Live.

He was living rent free above his parents pub, which they sold, he cried poor when he had to move, and told the press he had no where to go and the big bad company he worked for didn't pay him well enough for his wife to stay home anymore.

The story was 90% fabrication and 10% exaggeration, the facts were he was well above min wage, he didn't even look for somewhere to live until a week before he had to move out and who else can afford to have a stay at home wife that is an unskilled worker anywhere in the world?

BTW the guy I am referring to stated he worked 60 + hours a week but he never did a second of overtime in his life and it was debatable that he ever really worked while he was at work!

Funny, Campbell Live did a similar story about a couple in Wellington of which it was similar fabrication and exaggeration as my partner knew them through another friend.

After that I never watch Campbell Live because I can't trust anything that comes out that show as not being bullsh*t

The presumption being that gossip is any more reliable...

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#902371 25-Sep-2013 12:19

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minimoke: OK, say this guy did a 40 hour week on $14.40. That’s $30,000 a year. Thanks to the largesse of the taxpayer he’ll get around $6,000 off his tax bill once his missus drops the kid and he’s eligible for WWF. Say his pay went from $14.40 - $18.40 for a 40 hour week. That’s around $8,000 gross or around $6,000 net. So at this point he can either bludge off the Wellington Ratepayer or the NZ Tax Payer for roughly the same net gain. Obviously the more he earns the less the ratepayer has to subsidize him and the less WWF would be available. However where the Living Wage falls down is that he can get around $100 a week Accommodation Supplement through WWF. So I can only conclude that the Wellington Councilors are twits, and so are the ratepayers who vote for them. It seems the Council is simply shifting the burden of supplementary wage / accommodation benefits off the NZ taxpayer onto the Wellington ratepayer. Since I’m not in Wellington – well done Wellington!

Yeah we get it/you. You dont believe those worse off than yourself have any right to live like you do....

Sorry, MaxLV for taking so long to get back to your post. It was a near mortal wound and has certainly left me emotionally scarred for at least a nano second. Given the tone of your response I’ve relooked at my posts to see what it could possibly be in them that warranted such a response from you. Please correct me if I am wrong but
-       you seem to think that it is OK for a person with little or no education with little or no work experience to expect a wage higher than the market for such a person is prepared to pay.
-       You seem to think such a person is “entitled” to $18.40 no matter what while I think that person who has worked his way up to $18.40 has actually earnt that reward
-       You seem to think it is OK for the tax payer to subsidise a persons smoking because they can’t earn enough to feed their own addiction.
-       You seem to think it is Ok for a person who can’t afford to raise a family should be subsided by the tax payer to breed.
-       You seem to think it is OK for the Wellington Council to exploit it workers by getting them to work 68 hours a week without overtime pay.
-       You seem to think it is OK for the City Council to shift a tax burden from the NZ Tax payer to the local rate payer. OK – I’m happy with that one.

I make no apologies for disagreeing with you.

Have you thought for a moment that by increasing the wage rate to $18.40 the Wellington Council is going to have to raise rates to pay for this. Have you considered for a moment that lansdlords will need to put up their rents to pay for the increase in rates. Where is that going to leave our poor bleeding heart?

I’ve got a job going here which pays more than $14.40 but do you think I’d hire this guy. No show. Because he has a mentality of “entitlement” Its all about “Woe is me, someone else can pay for my decisions and because I am poor I am entitled” Sorry that attitude doesn’t cut it for me. He might have a good work ethic by turning up 68 hours a week but he has poor judgment by voicing his issues so publicly. Though I suspect he is being exploited by those communists who prefer to shift the wealth from those who have earnt it to those that didn’t.

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#902375 25-Sep-2013 12:27

PaulBags:
Klipspringer: I disagree. Smoking is an expensive habit and it can cost an average smoker about $17 per day. Ask me, I'm an ex smoker.

Then you know how hard it is to quit. If you scroll down his facebook you'll see that he has tried, made it to at least 27 days. Not everyone has sterling willpower 24/7 and it only take one to get hooked again.

JamesL:
dickytim: We had a storeman a while ago, he did the same thing to Campbell Live.

He was living rent free above his parents pub, which they sold, he cried poor when he had to move, and told the press he had no where to go and the big bad company he worked for didn't pay him well enough for his wife to stay home anymore.

The story was 90% fabrication and 10% exaggeration, the facts were he was well above min wage, he didn't even look for somewhere to live until a week before he had to move out and who else can afford to have a stay at home wife that is an unskilled worker anywhere in the world?

BTW the guy I am referring to stated he worked 60 + hours a week but he never did a second of overtime in his life and it was debatable that he ever really worked while he was at work!

Funny, Campbell Live did a similar story about a couple in Wellington of which it was similar fabrication and exaggeration as my partner knew them through another friend.

After that I never watch Campbell Live because I can't trust anything that comes out that show as not being bullsh*t

The presumption being that gossip is any more reliable...

My presumption is that a TV programme should be holding them up to a high level of scrutiny for checking facts on the stories they play. Gossip, not so much...

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#902445 25-Sep-2013 13:51

dickytim:
PaulBags:
Klipspringer: I disagree. Smoking is an expensive habit and it can cost an average smoker about $17 per day. Ask me, I'm an ex smoker.

Then you know how hard it is to quit. If you scroll down his facebook you'll see that he has tried, made it to at least 27 days. Not everyone has sterling willpower 24/7 and it only take one to get hooked again.

JamesL:
dickytim: We had a storeman a while ago, he did the same thing to Campbell Live.

He was living rent free above his parents pub, which they sold, he cried poor when he had to move, and told the press he had no where to go and the big bad company he worked for didn't pay him well enough for his wife to stay home anymore.

The story was 90% fabrication and 10% exaggeration, the facts were he was well above min wage, he didn't even look for somewhere to live until a week before he had to move out and who else can afford to have a stay at home wife that is an unskilled worker anywhere in the world?

BTW the guy I am referring to stated he worked 60 + hours a week but he never did a second of overtime in his life and it was debatable that he ever really worked while he was at work!

Funny, Campbell Live did a similar story about a couple in Wellington of which it was similar fabrication and exaggeration as my partner knew them through another friend.

After that I never watch Campbell Live because I can't trust anything that comes out that show as not being bullsh*t

The presumption being that gossip is any more reliable...

My presumption is that a TV programme should be holding them up to a high level of scrutiny for checking facts on the stories they play. Gossip, not so much...

And yet gossip is hardly a compelling rebuttal to campbell live.

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#902482 25-Sep-2013 14:44

This thread like a few of late is a giant hate fest.

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#902539 25-Sep-2013 16:40

KiwiNZ: This thread like a few of late is a giant hate fest.

There have been too many 'social issue' or 'political' threads on GZ. I think it drags down the tone of GZ and gets people naturally fired up and abuse starts flying.

Would prefer that politics/religion were banned from GZ. There are places like whaleoil and kiwiblog to discuss those.

Must...stop...commenting on them.... Hard not to though when I know I'm right :)

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#902577 25-Sep-2013 18:05

surfisup1000:
KiwiNZ: This thread like a few of late is a giant hate fest.

There have been too many 'social issue' or 'political' threads on GZ. I think it drags down the tone of GZ and gets people naturally fired up and abuse starts flying.

Would prefer that politics/religion were banned from GZ. There are places like whaleoil and kiwiblog to discuss those.

Must...stop...commenting on them.... Hard not to though when I know I'm right :)

The difficulty with banning things is what is it that you would ban.

With this thread it could be political both local body and national; it could be social commentary; it could be job prospects or the economy of minimum wage. Could be finance with tax / wealth redistribution. Maybe its education or migration. Perhaps it is media reporting. There’s definitely a labor exploitation element. It could be health or addiction or raising families. It could even get down to freedom of expression of honestly held views and opinions. Maybe its even a bit geeky since Facebook was mentioned. Where do you draw the line?

Best to keep off “geek” topic subjects in the Off topic area. That way you enter at your own risk, contribute subject to Geekzone rules and face the wrath of the Mods when that line is overstepped. I’ll have to re-read the posts cos I can’t see the “hate” or abuse

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#902591 25-Sep-2013 18:31

I'm happy to have these types of threads but only if the OP makes it a proper serious discussion. By proper I mean arguments for/against as well as asking thought provoking questions. Not like this thread in which the OP writes fairly stupid statements and offers nothing else.

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#902605 25-Sep-2013 18:47

minimoke:
surfisup1000:
KiwiNZ: This thread like a few of late is a giant hate fest.

There have been too many 'social issue' or 'political' threads on GZ. I think it drags down the tone of GZ and gets people naturally fired up and abuse starts flying.

Would prefer that politics/religion were banned from GZ. There are places like whaleoil and kiwiblog to discuss those.

Must...stop...commenting on them.... Hard not to though when I know I'm right :)

The difficulty with banning things is what is it that you would ban.

With this thread it could be political both local body and national; it could be social commentary; it could be job prospects or the economy of minimum wage. Could be finance with tax / wealth redistribution. Maybe its education or migration. Perhaps it is media reporting. There’s definitely a labor exploitation element. It could be health or addiction or raising families. It could even get down to freedom of expression of honestly held views and opinions. Maybe its even a bit geeky since Facebook was mentioned. Where do you draw the line?

Best to keep off “geek” topic subjects in the Off topic area. That way you enter at your own risk, contribute subject to Geekzone rules and face the wrath of the Mods when that line is overstepped. I’ll have to re-read the posts cos I can’t see the “hate” or abuse

I reckon it's pretty easy. . .

Moderators make a judgement and simply lock such threads. Like I say, if you want to talk about all that other rubbish (gay marriage/non-IT politics) you can go to kiwiblog/whaleoil.

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#902628 25-Sep-2013 19:16

surfisup1000:
minimoke:
surfisup1000:
KiwiNZ: This thread like a few of late is a giant hate fest.

There have been too many 'social issue' or 'political' threads on GZ. I think it drags down the tone of GZ and gets people naturally fired up and abuse starts flying.

Would prefer that politics/religion were banned from GZ. There are places like whaleoil and kiwiblog to discuss those.

Must...stop...commenting on them.... Hard not to though when I know I'm right :)

The difficulty with banning things is what is it that you would ban.

With this thread it could be political both local body and national; it could be social commentary; it could be job prospects or the economy of minimum wage. Could be finance with tax / wealth redistribution. Maybe its education or migration. Perhaps it is media reporting. There’s definitely a labor exploitation element. It could be health or addiction or raising families. It could even get down to freedom of expression of honestly held views and opinions. Maybe its even a bit geeky since Facebook was mentioned. Where do you draw the line?

Best to keep off “geek” topic subjects in the Off topic area. That way you enter at your own risk, contribute subject to Geekzone rules and face the wrath of the Mods when that line is overstepped. I’ll have to re-read the posts cos I can’t see the “hate” or abuse

I reckon it's pretty easy. . .

Moderators make a judgement and simply lock such threads. Like I say, if you want to talk about all that other rubbish (gay marriage/non-IT politics) you can go to kiwiblog/whaleoil.

Off topic is what it says, its meant to be for talking about things not related to the main theme of the forums, otherwise those things creep in other places, its a good holding place, and if you don't like the subject or have a issue with discussing religion/Politics etc. don't post in the topic, that way they become dead, and I don't think it's really hurting anyone open honest discussion is a good thing.

But anyway we digress from the topic....

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#902652 25-Sep-2013 19:31

surfisup1000: I reckon it's pretty easy. . .

Moderators make a judgement and simply lock such threads. Like I say, if you want to talk about all that other rubbish (gay marriage/non-IT politics) you can go to kiwiblog/whaleoil.

So far I've seem no breach of FUG. We don't censor things on Geekzone - unless it's trolling, open attacks on other users and so on. But this is in the FUG.

I have received a few complaints about this thread (and others) but I see no reason to lock it, even if I disagree with some views (and yes, I agree with some of you that these topics seem to attract a fair share of racist commentary).

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#902653 25-Sep-2013 19:32

Love the people saying "get a job that pays overtime". You know how many places in NZ pay overtime? Sweet FA.
My cousin, same job for 17 years, 34 years old, can work 70 hours a week.. 2 years ago his company was bought by a big construction firm... overtime stopped.
I used to drive trucks, 14 hours a day... no overtime. But I needed the job. To pay rent and support a family.
So construction and trucking, 2 big industries, don't pay overtime unless you are very, very lucky.
The reason overtime isn't paid? Nobody would make a profit.
People that say "get skills and get a better job" should get their heads out of their arses. Not everyone has that possibility. Some people don't have the opportunity to go to uni, or any form of higher education, circumstances prevent it.
If I wasn't brought up by a single mum (who was disabled) in the mid 80's, I might have been able to go and do what I wanted for a living, but I couldn't and haven't been in a situation that allows me to since. Somebody has to pay the bills. I don't bitch and moan about it, unless some up-themselves-knob-end starts spouting "go and get more skills".
/rant

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#902656 25-Sep-2013 19:36

Hahaha, yet you both choose each time to reply!

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#902702 25-Sep-2013 20:28

blakamin:
Love the people saying "get a job that pays overtime". You know how many places in NZ pay overtime?
/rant

I pay more than $14.40. And overtime T 1 1/2 after 40 hours. And I haven't the benefit of a university education. Opportunities are out there but I suspect too many spend too much time wallowing in self pity with a half full glass.

And don't moan to me about companies not paying overtime. Its the local Wellington Council we are talking about here. They are the ones not paying the towie. They are the ones exploiting the worker and you people in Wellington are the ones who elect your Council. I just don't see how you can reconcile this abuse with letting them get away with wanting to pay someone more than they are worth.

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