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#1803805 20-Jun-2017 09:22

surfisup1000:

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Secondly, there's no evidence that Muslims' "penchant for martyrdom" is any stronger than Christians or Buddhists.

Hahahaha.

I agree, I am absolutely fed up with christian terrorists blowing up kids at music concerts, running people over in buses, stabbing innocents randomly, crashing planes into skyscrapers, all in the name of Jesus. How silly.

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#1803811 20-Jun-2017 09:27

Geektastic: I've said before that sooner or later someone will strike back.

British politicians have been careless in their policies to do with immigration over the last 50 years and now they'll duck for cover seeking to pin the blame elsewhere.

Interesting on the news last nite the people outside the mosque shouting "White Terrorist" Didn't see anyone shouting to the TV cameras Muslim Terrorist after the London Bridge and the other recent events.

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#1803846 20-Jun-2017 09:45

old3eyes:

Geektastic: I've said before that sooner or later someone will strike back.

British politicians have been careless in their policies to do with immigration over the last 50 years and now they'll duck for cover seeking to pin the blame elsewhere.

Interesting on the news last nite the people outside the mosque shouting "White Terrorist" Didn't see anyone shouting to the TV cameras Muslim Terrorist after the London Bridge and the other recent events.

Not sure if it's a biggie. ONe refers to colour, which is easily seen and accurately described. One refers to an affiliation - like "climate change deniers", or "meat eaters" for example, which has little reliably identifiable features.

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#1803847 20-Jun-2017 09:46

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surfisup1000:

frankv:

Secondly, there's no evidence that Muslims' "penchant for martyrdom" is any stronger than Christians or Buddhists.

Hahahaha.

I agree, I am absolutely fed up with christian terrorists blowing up kids at music concerts, running people over in buses, stabbing innocents randomly, crashing planes into skyscrapers, all in the name of Jesus. How silly.

Me too

Claiming to be Christian is a very different thing to being Christian. The KKK is far from a Christian organization.

Bad example. Last I checked, the KKK has no interest in terrorism in other countries. I don't see them placing bombs in Pakistan/Syria etc in the name of their disgusting beliefs.

The 2 most important commandments spoken by Jesus himself, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength”, and “Love your neighbor as yourself”.

Not sure how the KKK can condone racism, murder, genocide etc. Its impossible if they were true Christians.

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#1803876 20-Jun-2017 10:29

Rikkitic:

surfisup1000:

frankv:

Secondly, there's no evidence that Muslims' "penchant for martyrdom" is any stronger than Christians or Buddhists.

Hahahaha.

I agree, I am absolutely fed up with christian terrorists blowing up kids at music concerts, running people over in buses, stabbing innocents randomly, crashing planes into skyscrapers, all in the name of Jesus. How silly.

Give it time. Fanatics are the same regardless of what they wear or what they claim to believe in.

You've got your time lines a bit back-to-front and missed the christian fanatics.

Islam is 600 years younger that Christianity and is pretty much at the same place now, that Christianity was 600 years ago - think Crusades, inquisitions, Holy wars, religion not separated from the state, burning witches, trying to convert the rest of the world by force, followers being manipulated by corrupt priests, complete intolerance of anyone with a different view, deriding good science as heresy and all that other bad stuff that happened in the dark and middle ages.

Christianity has been there, has done that and has moved on. It is quietly being put out pasture. Islam is still getting there, still doing that, and hasn't quite moved on yet. I predict thatin 600 years Islam will be as chilled out is Christianity is now - feel free to flame me in 600 years if I turn out to be wrong.

If you want to avoid repeating mistakes, there is some good stuff to be learned from history.

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#1803880 20-Jun-2017 10:34

Wiggum:

BlueShift:

surfisup1000:

frankv:

Secondly, there's no evidence that Muslims' "penchant for martyrdom" is any stronger than Christians or Buddhists.

Hahahaha.

I agree, I am absolutely fed up with christian terrorists blowing up kids at music concerts, running people over in buses, stabbing innocents randomly, crashing planes into skyscrapers, all in the name of Jesus. How silly.

Me too

Claiming to be Christian is a very different thing to being Christian. The KKK is far from a Christian organization.

Bad example. Last I checked, the KKK has no interest in terrorism in other countries. I don't see them placing bombs in Pakistan/Syria etc in the name of their disgusting beliefs.

The 2 most important commandments spoken by Jesus himself, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength”, and “Love your neighbor as yourself”.

Not sure how the KKK can condone racism, murder, genocide etc. Its impossible if they were true Christians.

seriously , have you studied history. The Christians are right up their with Muslims when it comes to everything you say is impossible they could do. And it's not just the KKK, they operate in America, true, but the far right groups in Europe who share their beliefs are a major problem world wide and im pretty sure the majority of them would follow Christianity.

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#1803888 20-Jun-2017 10:50

vexxxboy:

seriously , have you studied history. The Christians are right up their with Muslims when it comes to everything you say is impossible they could do. And it's not just the KKK, they operate in America, true, but the far right groups in Europe who share their beliefs are a major problem world wide and im pretty sure the majority of them would follow Christianity.

The problem with your statement is that you do not seem to not understand the definition of Christianity.

"Pretty sure they would follow Christianity"? I don't believe they would. These kinds of racist bigots have been around probably since the beginning of time, and they are exactly the same kinds of people who Jesus himself distanced himself from.

"Far right" ≠ Christianity

A Christian follows, or tries to follow, the life and teachings of Jesus which is why I agree with @surfisup1000 's comment. But that's enough on the topic from me.

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#1803891 20-Jun-2017 10:52

vexxxboy:

seriously , have you studied history. The Christians are right up their with Muslims when it comes to everything you say is impossible they could do. And it's not just the KKK, they operate in America, true, but the far right groups in Europe who share their beliefs are a major problem world wide and im pretty sure the majority of them would follow Christianity.

As much as I agree with your points, if there was anything to learn from the closed thread on the Manchester bombing it is that we're just going to see the same sweeping generalisations brought out time and time again, and no-one will concede an inch; I'm really convinced that nothing meaningful will come from this thread, as once again its descended down this particular rabbit hole.

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#1803902 20-Jun-2017 11:01

jonathan18:

vexxxboy:

seriously , have you studied history. The Christians are right up their with Muslims when it comes to everything you say is impossible they could do. And it's not just the KKK, they operate in America, true, but the far right groups in Europe who share their beliefs are a major problem world wide and im pretty sure the majority of them would follow Christianity.

As much as I agree with your points, if there was anything to learn from the closed thread on the Manchester bombing it is that we're just going to see the same sweeping generalisations brought out time and time again, and no-one will concede an inch; I'm really convinced that nothing meaningful will come from this thread, as once again its descended down this particular rabbit hole.

Pretty sure that thread was closed because it was off topic? ie Maori rights? As much as I disagree with vexxxboy, I think this one is still on topic.

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#1803908 20-Jun-2017 11:08

It's a logical fallacy. AKA "True Scotsman". Look it up.

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#1803912 20-Jun-2017 11:12

old3eyes:

Interesting on the news last nite the people outside the mosque shouting "White Terrorist" Didn't see anyone shouting to the TV cameras Muslim Terrorist after the London Bridge and the other recent events.

Sounds awfully similar to the Palestinian Muslims Celebrating in the streets after the 9/11 Attacks. I recall seeing it on TV back then.

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#1803941 20-Jun-2017 11:51

Wiggum:

vexxxboy:

seriously , have you studied history. The Christians are right up their with Muslims when it comes to everything you say is impossible they could do. And it's not just the KKK, they operate in America, true, but the far right groups in Europe who share their beliefs are a major problem world wide and im pretty sure the majority of them would follow Christianity.

The problem with your statement is that you do not seem to not understand the definition of Christianity.

"Pretty sure they would follow Christianity"? I don't believe they would. These kinds of racist bigots have been around probably since the beginning of time, and they are exactly the same kinds of people who Jesus himself distanced himself from.

"Far right" ≠ Christianity

A Christian follows, or tries to follow, the life and teachings of Jesus which is why I agree with @surfisup1000 's comment. But that's enough on the topic from me.

Your defense of Christianity is as true, if not more so, for Islam. The 'terrorism' that is so often associated with Muslims and Islam is an extreme position followed and believed by an absolute tiny minority of Muslims and vehemently denounced by most Muslim leaders and the overwhelming majority of Muslims. Islam, when considering like you are considering your 'definition of Christianity', is a very peaceful religion.

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#1803951 20-Jun-2017 12:18

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tripper1000:

Failing to recognise peoples differences is what causes these problems in the first place.

No, what caused "these problems in the first place" was the US/West trying to force "capitalism" and their own views of "democracy" in regions that didn't have it, and didn't ever want it. But hey, oil, right.

Yeah, sure all of the above. You have to let people be different because there isn't one right way, and if you force your culture down other peoples throats, you're no better that the caliphates/crusades that preceded you. Oil - ? If you steal someone's mineral wealth, they're going to retaliate. If you manipulate some ones political system (eg Korea, China) to steal oil (eg Venezuela, Iran) you're going to create some hard core, enduring enemies.

Do you know how Pakistan and Bangladesh came into existence - the were all India once, but the Muslims couldn't get alone with any of the other religions in India, so the Brits, recognising some people a different and you can't/shouldn't change them, created separate Muslim states, so everyone could go their own way and live in peace. This is why the competition, between India and Pakistan is so fierce today, and why Pakistan is completely Muslim and India is the country of 1,000 gods.

The Brit's recognised the differences, and tried to create a world where people could be different without killing eat other. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Brits got it right, because their tampering certainly messed up boarders all over the middle and far east.

With the apparent fact that Muslims and Infidel are again now unable to live a peace with one another I wonder if the Brits are thinking about taking leaf out of Trumps book/their own history and geographically separating people who can not coexist in peace.

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#1803970 20-Jun-2017 12:51

ajobbins:

Your defense of Christianity is as true, if not more so, for Islam. The 'terrorism' that is so often associated with Muslims and Islam is an extreme position followed and believed by an absolute tiny minority of Muslims and vehemently denounced by most Muslim leaders and the overwhelming majority of Muslims. Islam, when considering like you are considering your 'definition of Christianity', is a very peaceful religion.

You actually very wrong. Jesus founded Christianity, Muhammad founded Islam, If you want to do a true comparison then go do some real homework on both men and their lives.

Start here.

- What were their last words before dying? Jesus, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Muhammad, "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets."

- Which of the two had slaves? What relationship did the slave owner have with his slaves?

- Jesus was sinless, Muhammad not so much.

- Jesus forgave sinners, Muhammad punished them. (Go read the story about how both dealt with an adulterous woman). In fact, find out how one was punished. Any resemblance to what happens today?

- Treatment on non believers, Jesus rebuked his disciples when they wanted to destroy a town that rejected Him. Muhammad told his followers to aggressively make war on non-Muslims.

- Plenty of other examples, far too much to list actually. Also look up women and marriage.

Last but not least, do some research into how Christians/Muslims treat their women. This one is enough for me to totally reject the religion.

Which of the two were evil? Muslim extremists are just doing what Muhammad ordered.

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#1803999 20-Jun-2017 13:30

tripper1000:

Islam is 600 years younger that Christianity and is pretty much at the same place now, that Christianity was 600 years ago - think Crusades, inquisitions, Holy wars, religion not separated from the state, burning witches, trying to convert the rest of the world by force, followers being manipulated by corrupt priests, complete intolerance of anyone with a different view, deriding good science as heresy and all that other bad stuff that happened in the dark and middle ages.

Christianity has been there, has done that and has moved on.

Surely not Christianity you are describing? Priests? Christianity has priests? Since when? Burning witches? Sounds like you confusing Christianity with maybe Catholicism (priests), worse maybe even Satanism? Or was it just a bit of a mix of it all?

Christianity has remained pretty constant for the last 2000 years.

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