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#1954857 10-Feb-2018 16:04

Rikkitic:

froob: Crimes Act, s 200, Poisoning with intent

Crimes Act, s 202, Setting traps, etc

This makes it perfectly clear. Note there is no exception just because the trap is in your home.

Exactly There is no doubt its illegal. It be up to the prosecution to prove the intent, carelessness and find a chain of evidence beyond reasonable doubt I guess. If someone did such a thing.

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#1954858 10-Feb-2018 16:11

This thread seems to be attempts to be "shock jock", quite silly actually

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#1954859 10-Feb-2018 16:12

Just to be clear, as the original poster, the article I posted was interviewing the police.

Justice was probably served and no one was harmed directly from the GPS tracked packages.

However I must admit in my youth I did use a gun to shoot at a vandal smashing car windows.

Luckily I was a bad aim. He jumped in his vehicle in a panic, wrecked, a short distance and was arrested.

The police ignored his claim someone shot at him. I was never interviewed.

If I had killed him, I would have rightfully been charged with murder.

The ends don't justify the means. I just got lucky, or I'd have ruined several lives including my own.

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#1954860 10-Feb-2018 16:15

kingdragonfly: Just to be clear, as the original poster, the article I posted was interviewing the police.

Justice was probably served and no one was harmed directly from the GPS tracked packages.

However I must admit in my youth I did use a gun to shoot at a vandal smashing car windows.

Luckily I was a bad aim. He jumped in his vehicle in a panic, wrecked, a short distance and was arrested.

The police ignored his claim someone shot at him. I was never interviewed.

If I had killed him, I would have rightfully been charged with murder.

The ends don't justify the means. I just got lucky, or I'd have ruined several lives including my own.

What kind of gun was it a BB Gun?

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#1954861 10-Feb-2018 16:18

Rikkitic:

What I find most disturbing about this thread is that the poisoned alcohol post got nine +1's. Sadly, vigilantism is alive and well on Geekzone.

I don’t believe that truly means that a large proportion of Geekzoners are looking to inflict (near) fatal damage on petty criminals, but rather it’s a reflection that many honest hard-working kiwis are fed up with the lax approach by the authorities to fight and prevent crimes like these, and the lefty-liberal wet bus-ticket penalties when the perpetrators are caught .

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#1954864 10-Feb-2018 16:23

Not a BB gun. It was a proper unscoped hunting rifle.

It was in a hilly area, and cars had parked in a valley because of the snow.

A 16 year old in a jeep arrived at night and proceeded to smash out all the windows.

In a fit of passion I shot through a closed window, with every intent of trying to kill him.

The window may have had an affect on the shot, possibly by partially deflecting it.

He either saw the flash or heard the shot, or both.

And then he panicked..

To be clear I'm not condoning my actions; I regret it.

Everyone was lucky.

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#1954867 10-Feb-2018 16:35

kingdragonfly: Not a BB gun. It was a proper unscoped hunting rifle.

It was in a hilly area, and cars had parked in a valley because of the snow.

A 16 year old in a jeep arrived at night and proceeded to smash out all the windows.

In a fit of passion I shot through a closed window, with every intent of trying to kill him.

The window may have had an affect on the shot, possibly by partially deflecting it.

He either saw the flash or heard the shot, or both.

And then he panicked..

To be clear I'm not condoning my actions; I regret it.

Everyone was lucky.

Reminds me off someone I knew years ago who use to work at Boggo Rd Gaol in Brisbane, certain duties required them to carry a gun.

He said that there were a couple of inmates he would have no hesitation in firing the first shot between the eyes and the second warning shot into the air.

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#1954868 10-Feb-2018 16:36

floydbloke:

Rikkitic:

What I find most disturbing about this thread is that the poisoned alcohol post got nine +1's. Sadly, vigilantism is alive and well on Geekzone.

I don’t believe that truly means that a large proportion of Geekzoners are looking to inflict (near) fatal damage on petty criminals, but rather it’s a reflection that many honest hard-working kiwis are fed up with the lax approach by the authorities to fight and prevent crimes like these, and the lefty-liberal wet bus-ticket penalties when the perpetrators are caught .

I also get angry when I see hard-working dairy owners being repeatedly robbed by low-lifes and they can't seem to do anything to protect themselves. But I still don't believe that giving them guns is an answer. The USA example should be enough to convince anyone. We need more and better police, but people also have to be willing to pay for that.

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#1954869 10-Feb-2018 16:39

Geektastic: This is where we differ. I don't care remotely about fairness to criminals.

I've been burgled twice and wouldn't have the slightest concern what happened to the scum who did it if it prevented them from doing it again.
If they don't like consequences perhaps they could, you know, not commit crimes.

I am concerned, because of the likes of ACC and free health, things like that can end up costing a lot that would be better spent on others.

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#1954886 10-Feb-2018 18:17

I wouldn't care what happened to someone burglaring me either lol.

I wouldn't be setting traps though, things could back fire, get the wrong person.

If people care what happens to burgers then leave yer door unlocked so less chance of them cutting themselves breaking window etc.

Think police view it as petty crime so unlikely to follow up to hard, plus judges just hand out wet bus tickets, reason why people getting fed up.

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#1954888 10-Feb-2018 18:21

I am firstly a New Zealander.. but according to the census forms I am a New Zealand European. I was born here (mid 1970s) and I am 'white'

It makes me so angry when Dairies and Service Stations are being robbed, usually for stupid Cigarettes (not a smoker), and a little cash (not worth the risk, really)

Typically these jobs are not highly paid. The risk / reward ratio is not good.

Its complete bollocks that these people are getting robbed / hurt with little recourse.

I don't know what the fix is, but the current method is not working.

DFP

Edit.. I would like to see the robbers heads explode. Shotguns should do it. If you are going to bash someone for cigarettes, then prepare for some high speed lead poisoning.

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#1955136 11-Feb-2018 11:39

floydbloke:
Rikkitic:

What I find most disturbing about this thread is that the poisoned alcohol post got nine +1's. Sadly, vigilantism is alive and well on Geekzone.

I don’t believe that truly means that a large proportion of Geekzoners are looking to inflict (near) fatal damage on petty criminals, but rather it’s a reflection that many honest hard-working kiwis are fed up with the lax approach by the authorities to fight and prevent crimes like these, and the lefty-liberal wet bus-ticket penalties when the perpetrators are caught .

Well since the national government was in power for last 9 years, I think you can add "left-liberal " to "populist right wing"...

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#1955139 11-Feb-2018 11:56

danielparker:

I am firstly a New Zealander.. but according to the census forms I am a New Zealand European. I was born here (mid 1970s) and I am 'white'

The census form doesn't define your ethnicity - it presents you with options where you can define yourself.

65,000 people chose to identify themselves as a "New Zealander".

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#1955286 11-Feb-2018 17:10

I'd be perfectly okay with dairy owners being allowed to keep a loaded shotgun under counter with legal authorisation to blow away anyone who tries to rob them.

I now look forward to the soapbox crowd delivering me a lecture on what is the Right And Proper thing to do.

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#1955298 11-Feb-2018 17:15

cruxis:

After being burgled When I go away on holiday now, I leave a Bottle of Jim Bean Black locked in a glass cabinet next to my TV, that also happens to be 1/2 anti freeze. Alcohol is one of the most likely item to be stolen so Maybe the police can bust them turning up at hospital with organ failure.

What you are doing is incredibly dangerous, and I believe extremely illegal. I would imagine you would be charged with various crimes including manslaughter if someone died.

Shame on you.

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