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  #2686257 4-Apr-2021 10:37
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Doesn’t this belong in Politics?







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  #2686260 4-Apr-2021 10:46
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Geektastic: Doesn’t this belong in Politics?

 

So you think inequality is party aligned? No, its not a political problem, its an equality problem.


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  #2686287 4-Apr-2021 12:08
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This guy is 33 years old. Meaning he completed high school 15 years ago, professional rugby for 13 years, then a commentator.

For some people it's easy to think all this stuff ended decades ago, high schools and so on no longer tolerate things like this, and students grow up with an education understanding this behaviour is bad and harmful. Unfortunately I think this is not the case and there is work to do in that area.

As for Sky - this should have been an immediate suspension. The lack of action on their part does not give any confidence. The commentator himself has apologised and I hope he gets the education to understand how his actions could affect innocent people.



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  #2686302 4-Apr-2021 13:05
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On the topic of discrimination & the race relations commissioner, I personally find the below far more offensive:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Soruce:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/md7xss/race_relations_commissioner_meng_foon_poses_for/

 

 


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  #2686336 4-Apr-2021 16:37
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tdgeek:

 

mrdrifter: Mike, how about you try reading your previous posts without your current blinkered mindset. Your previous posts can be read as being exactly opposite to what you just said about actually discussing racism and reading them as written, they effectively say we can't help those people, we should just cast them out as they can't be rehabilitated.

You talk and act like this in many threads that raise multiple points of view and it makes the forum a worse place to be as a proper discussion can't be had when someone it just saying - 'Nope Nope Nope Nope, I'm right you're all wrong'

 

While I can't advise Mike's reasoning, to me it seems quite clear. You either have zero tolerance for discrimination or you don't. If you have a level of tolerance you are supporting it. The number of times this happens, that always gets the same weak response, is just normalising this behaviour. 

 

Surely an opinion that is zero tolerance is allowed here? By saying its blinkered means that you are doing the same thing, you are right he is wrong. A zero tolerance to discrimination is hardly a radical position. If it was a typical position, this thread would not exist. But it does.

 

 

There is always a place for nuance and discussion. It's possible for people to have views that are different while not actually condoning behaviour like Wheelers.

 

You think that golliwogs are harmless children's toys. I, and many others, think they are fairly awful racist symbols of slavery and Jim Crow.

 

I don't think you are a racist but you have a view I very strongly disagree with. Discussing that can only be beneficial.


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I just thought, seriously, what planet has this guy been living on that his brain even engaged the way it did. There can be no shortage of talented people lining up to have his job, move him on.


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Handle9:

 

There is always a place for nuance and discussion. It's possible for people to have views that are different while not actually condoning behaviour like Wheelers.

 

You think that golliwogs are harmless children's toys. I, and many others, think they are fairly awful racist symbols of slavery and Jim Crow.

 

I don't think you are a racist but you have a view I very strongly disagree with. Discussing that can only be beneficial.

 

 

I agree with you there. Racism is horrible BUT simply declaring it as so , as Mike does, doesn't provide the 'why' which some people need to have their mind opened , or changed.

 

 





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  #2686602 5-Apr-2021 11:30
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@elpenguino that is a cop out. Anyone capable of reaching this site and messaging knows what racism is, they don’t need me to spoon feed you. If you don’t know Wikipedia might be able to help you. Have a good day, bye.

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  #2686607 5-Apr-2021 11:40
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People who indulge in casual racism don't always understand what it really is, and can benefit from having it pointed out and explained. People do learn from their mistakes. 

 

 





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I hope he learns which I am sure he will the back lash would have certainly hit home for him.

 

Did anybody see the main news the other night with the women protesting which I whole heartily agree. One of the woman right in front of the camera had a sign "Dont Fuc*en touch me without the *"

Was half expecting an apology from tvnz but seen nothing. Wife and I had a giggle and were like Fu*k yeah hahahaha.

 

Yes I know its off topic.





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Rikkitic:

 

People who indulge in casual racism don't always understand what it really is, and can benefit from having it pointed out and explained. People do learn from their mistakes. 

 

 

People who indulge in casual racism shouldn’t be presenting on the telly.


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  #2686779 5-Apr-2021 17:50
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dafman:

 

Rikkitic:

 

People who indulge in casual racism don't always understand what it really is, and can benefit from having it pointed out and explained. People do learn from their mistakes. 

 

 

People who indulge in casual racism shouldn’t be presenting on the telly.

 

 

Have you ever done or said something really dumb at work? I have.


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  #2686978 6-Apr-2021 08:33
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@Handle9 attempting to trivialise racism is racism.

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Handle9:

 

Have you ever done or said something really dumb at work? I have.

 

 

Dumb, yes, most days. Racist, no.

 

Plus, my work conversations are not broadcast to tens of thousands, many of them kids.

 

It’s his job to know better, he didn’t.


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  #2687040 6-Apr-2021 09:14
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Rikkitic:

 

People who indulge in casual racism don't always understand what it really is, and can benefit from having it pointed out and explained. People do learn from their mistakes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's expand this because this just doesn't JUST apply to racism. Homophobia, transphobia, misogynistic behavior, casually or not is STILL just that and it's something I've seen in the 15 years I've been living in this country. Sure some people can learn from it and that's absolutely something I support and even have to do sometimes but it's so engrained in society and conversations that it's going to take decades to clamp down on it and as a society move on and not let this be apart of casual conversations.

 

 

 

I've been wondering a while to see if I should participate in this thread or not but your reply is absolutely golden and again it's not just racism, there's a lot of other god awful stuff that's said.





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