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#3022859 17-Jan-2023 17:06

MikeAqua:

Cleopatra's influence on Mark Antony could have been a stark warning to Harry. Too late now. He's already been led down the garden path, thinking with the wrong head all the way.

It's not the first time. Pretty much the same scenario with Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson.

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#3022861 17-Jan-2023 17:07

Don't air your dirty laundry in public it just spreads the stink. It does not make it cleaner.

At least Edward VIII got out of "The Royal Firm" for true love. Though they did live a life of leisure as society celebrities, they did not drag The Royal Firm through mud because things did not go their way.

They had style back then and they certainly would not have splashed across the pages the amount of money they believe they are owed or have and they NEVER would mentioned the number of kills, if he had fought, that he carried out. Just not done. If I was a former comrade I would total disown him and bar him from all things military.

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#3022911 17-Jan-2023 19:16

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they NEVER would mentioned the number of kills, if he had fought, that he carried out. Just not done.

Unless you are a fighter pilot then you can happily call yourself an ace once you get to five and paint a tally on the side of your aircraft, or in the case of the Red Baron have silver trophy cups engraved.

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#3022912 17-Jan-2023 19:17

FineWine:

Don't air your dirty laundry in public it just spreads the stink. It does not make it cleaner.

At least Edward VIII got out of "The Royal Firm" for true love. Though they did live a life of leisure as society celebrities, they did not drag The Royal Firm through mud because things did not go their way.

They had style back then and they certainly would not have splashed across the pages the amount of money they believe they are owed or have and they NEVER would mentioned the number of kills, if he had fought, that he carried out. Just not done. If I was a former comrade I would total disown him and bar him from all things military.

Fair enough. Of the mud is it all due to Harry and his wife, or are others due for mud? The internet and social media was quite young for Edward VIII... but its very similar. Want love but not the Institutional Prison, I dont see anything wrong with that. Diana was a big spark, modern era, she was wanted by the Royals and everyone else before she didnt comply. Comply is the operative word.

We need to look at both sides. No different to a well off family with a business that the new daughter in law is coloured, divorced, and tainted. That's not the 2020 world. But it is for the Firm. I just feel you need to look where the dirty laundry is. And I say that with massive admiration for the Queen. And others in the Royal Family, most of which are doing great work but are not in line for the throne so are not newsworthy. I except Kate from that. Harry and Meghan are in public view, so are the Royals, but saying nothing is not innocence. In many ways its denial. I know a few Brits, they hate Harry and Meghan. So Harry and Meghan are shockers, or they just spoke up? Didnt need to speak up, should the Firm be somewhat 2000's and give them space. They did that when the Commonwealth steadily and surely broke up (including an African nation where the new leader hated the Commonwealth, but the Royals went there anyway) , so why can't Harry and Meghan be part of the Institution and make hay in the US? An opportunity lost

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#3022913 17-Jan-2023 19:29

I now have far too little respect for him to bother reading his whining.

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#3022914 17-Jan-2023 19:31

Why would anyone care about an irrelevant institution or it’s influencer spawn?

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#3022918 17-Jan-2023 19:37

Handle9: Why would anyone care about an irrelevant institution or it’s influencer spawn?

Yep, its an all too familiar family issue, played out in public, by someone who has fair issues but at times goes too far, and from a family that is not accountable. By family its actually who run the Institution, and thats not the family in question. But its news and in todays word that all that matters

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#3023029 18-Jan-2023 07:42

Handle9: Why would anyone care about an irrelevant institution or it’s influencer spawn?

Agreed, The entire institution needs to go the way of the Dodo

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3023030 18-Jan-2023 08:04

MikeB4:

Handle9: Why would anyone care about an irrelevant institution or it’s influencer spawn?

Agreed, The entire institution needs to go the way of the Dodo

The growing alternative of the ultra rich seems to be a worse option.

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#3023034 18-Jan-2023 08:36

SJB:
MikeAqua:

Cleopatra's influence on Mark Antony could have been a stark warning to Harry. Too late now. He's already been led down the garden path, thinking with the wrong head all the way.

It's not the first time. Pretty much the same scenario with Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson.

As soon as William married and had children it was too late for Harry. He isn't spare now, he's redundant.

Edward had the crown to give up. As it turned out he was no loss to Britain.

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#3023349 18-Jan-2023 19:29

UK Royals, well not as suffocating as
Japan where sucession is becomeing a real problem.

Back to UK, as a Royal you are both free and unfree. Free within limits.
Problem being you have duties (minor Royals far less) expected,
as the TAXPAYER is picking up most of the bills.

Surrounded by opulence, but not fully your own master.
If its not your thing.
Charity, Civic Service, Military Service, Diplomacy, Historical Conservation,
Managing parks and lands that are enterprises of their own.

Then the tedious formal events that make up the whole Royals tourist attraction.
Getting on with people that you may not like etc.
I'm sure the British Tourist Board deem these ceremonies essential.

If you want paid security, other privileges.
An allowance to suit your station while curating your own media presence.
If you want British Taxpayer to pay while you cash in, well........ No.....

Harry must have had an idea, but Megan being more Hollywood probably thought they were rights.

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#3023363 18-Jan-2023 19:51

ezbee:

UK Royals, well not as suffocating as
Japan where sucession is becomeing a real problem.

Back to UK, as a Royal you are both free and unfree. Free within limits.
Problem being you have duties (minor Royals far less) expected,
as the TAXPAYER is picking up most of the bills.

Surrounded by opulence, but not fully your own master.
If its not your thing.
Charity, Civic Service, Military Service, Diplomacy, Historical Conservation,
Managing parks and lands that are enterprises of their own.

Then the tedious formal events that make up the whole Royals tourist attraction.
Getting on with people that you may not like etc.
I'm sure the British Tourist Board deem these ceremonies essential.

If you want paid security, other privileges.
An allowance to suit your station while curating your own media presence.
If you want British Taxpayer to pay while you cash in, well........ No.....

Harry must have had an idea, but Megan being more Hollywood probably thought they were rights.

Ok...

At least you see both sides. Those that want to bathe in the opulence and the grandeur, its there. Its tradition which is great, but it has zero real time value.

Harry wanted freedom and commitment, live elsewhere but still do the duties. Meghan has been involved in charity well before she was a well known B List actress

So, on the surface it can work. The Royals could do with expanding the love to the US. But they didn't want that. You all know why. Harry is no saint, neither is the Firm.

But she is tainted. So was Diana when she could not put up with Charles. Despite how amazing she was. Kicked to touch. Then Charles wed his long time squeeze. Andrew in the wars. But its all worked out for them. (I have no issue with Charles latest wife, thats like for the rest of us) Thats the real world for most of us, but it doesnt cut it in the Firm. I guess this thread is like a Sky thread, but IMO you need to look at all sides.

Harry is easy meat, but we need to look at the toxic nature, and its hard to say that when we think of the Queen, Prince Philip and the many down the inheritance list who serve. Harry and his foreign and coloured wife could have been a good modern asset, but no.

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#3023560 19-Jan-2023 09:42

tdgeek:

from the odd doco I've seen over the years, huge power is wielded by the admin, not the Royals directly. I forget the term, but this "management" team behind the scenes is pretty hardcore. Yes, you want to preserve the history of the Royal Family (and I like the Royal Family) but that "team" acts as if its the 1500's.

It's a strange world, too - those that are truly powerful within the Firm, are actually very easily ousted and can find themselves bereft of power - it's a unit, of sorts. Powerful individuals, who are actually powerless without the institution. Weird and confusing world.

I find it strange too, how the Royals themselves are less powerful than you think they would be. Despite being the "heads" of the Firm.

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#3023575 19-Jan-2023 10:16

Handsomedan:

It's a strange world, too - those that are truly powerful within the Firm, are actually very easily ousted and can find themselves bereft of power - it's a unit, of sorts. Powerful individuals, who are actually powerless without the institution. Weird and confusing world.

I find it strange too, how the Royals themselves are less powerful than you think they would be. Despite being the "heads" of the Firm.

Thats how I see it, especially after Diana and Harry interviews. Its a machine, centuries old, and when I think of the Royals or the Monarchy I think of the Queen and the living generations we are all aware of, but they are just the hand wavers and supporters of charities. The machine will go on and those behind the scenes make sure it does. They manage the media, which is quite bizarre and very powerful

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#3023584 19-Jan-2023 10:47

I'd rather have our current monarchy than a US-styled presidency. That's the only presidential model I'm familiar with. I'm not sure how the others perform.

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