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#3212637 31-Mar-2024 19:38

HelloThere: Surcharges should be banned. The extra costs should be built into the prices during the year. Imagine going to the supermarket or service station and they added 15% onto your bill. Also, I think that it's unfair that some business choose to shut or are forced to shit for today and the staff have to take AL or they don't get paid.

I am not aware of any countries that charge a holiday surcharge apart from NZ at things such as cafes. NZs prices are already high when compared to other countries and NZ doesn't have the best reputation for prices when it comes to tourism. I live in a tourist town and I heard some tourists complaining that all the cafes were shut, as they shut mid afternoon. IMO some for the attitudes when it comes to hospitality are not good.

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#3212638 31-Mar-2024 19:42

I think we should _abolish_ all public holidays in their entirety and just give everyone an additional 12 days annual leave. Failing that, yes public holiday trading rules need to be taken out the back and shot, the concept of virtually an entire nation stopping is not fit for purpose for the 21st century, nevermind the fact most of the reason we do it is because of antiquated sky zombie mumbo jumbo. Things like restricted sale hours for alcohol also need to go, and anything else in the way of legislative or regulatory hurdles to a truly 24x7x365 society.

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#3212639 31-Mar-2024 19:46

Lias:

I think we should _abolish_ all public holidays in their entirety and just give everyone an additional 12 days annual leave. Failing that, yes public holiday trading rules need to be taken out the back and shot, the concept of virtually an entire nation stopping is not fit for purpose for the 21st century, nevermind the fact most of the reason we do it is because of antiquated sky zombie mumbo jumbo. Things like restricted sale hours for alcohol also need to go, and anything else in the way of legislative or regulatory hurdles to a truly 24x7x365 society.

Yes yes a hundred times yes

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#3212640 31-Mar-2024 19:50

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roobarb:

I suggest the problem there is family violence, not public holidays.

The incidence over Christmas and Easter are significantly higher. Christmas is the worse period.

This is as much about final pressure.

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#3212644 31-Mar-2024 20:02

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This is as much about final pressure.

Yes but it more complex. Societal pressures, family pressures, conformity pressures, peer pressure. Add in fiscal pressure, the requirement to work or not work. I can add so much. However I really don't want to dwell on this too much as the memories are emotionally very difficult to deal with.

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#3212646 31-Mar-2024 20:04

Lias:

I think we should _abolish_ all public holidays in their entirety and just give everyone an additional 12 days annual leave. Failing that, yes public holiday trading rules need to be taken out the back and shot, the concept of virtually an entire nation stopping is not fit for purpose for the 21st century, nevermind the fact most of the reason we do it is because of antiquated sky zombie mumbo jumbo. Things like restricted sale hours for alcohol also need to go, and anything else in the way of legislative or regulatory hurdles to a truly 24x7x365 society.

i disagree.

getting more annual leave means a lot of people don't get any time off during summer. all the holiday time is in the off season. ie rural people. then of course is you will find annual leave gets whittled back down. it also means family can't get together for a holiday (as no one gets annual leave all at the same time) and that really sucks. it would really make life suck.

also we are not a 24x7x365 society, thankfully. 24/7 may be convenient for consumers but it sucks for workers.

the other way is to do something like what the French do and everyone takes the same weeks off in summer. everything closes down. think Easter trading for 4 weeks straight. however that really sucks for farmers who cannot take time off in summer.

having an entire nation stopping is not a bad thing.

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#3212649 31-Mar-2024 20:09

Lias:

I think we should _abolish_ all public holidays in their entirety and just give everyone an additional 12 days annual leave. Failing that, yes public holiday trading rules need to be taken out the back and shot, the concept of virtually an entire nation stopping is not fit for purpose for the 21st century, nevermind the fact most of the reason we do it is because of antiquated sky zombie mumbo jumbo. Things like restricted sale hours for alcohol also need to go, and anything else in the way of legislative or regulatory hurdles to a truly 24x7x365 society.

Just wait until retailers find out that the shopping seasons for Xmas, New Year, Halloween, etc etc all get cancelled as they become "just another day".

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#3212650 31-Mar-2024 20:12

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Just wait until retailers find out that the shopping seasons for Xmas, New Year, Halloween, etc etc all get cancelled as they become "just another day".

Christ on crutches, retailers don't need any more excuses for sales. I recall not that long ago, an app for my car, which adds functionality was on sale, under the guise of a back to school sale.

/facepalm.

My kids were over the moon.

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#3212651 31-Mar-2024 20:17

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HelloThere: Surcharges should be banned. The extra costs should be built into the prices during the year. Imagine going to the supermarket or service station and they added 15% onto your bill. Also, I think that it's unfair that some business choose to shut or are forced to shit for today and the staff have to take AL or they don't get paid.

I am not aware of any countries that charge a holiday surcharge apart from NZ at things such as cafes. NZs prices are already high when compared to other countries and NZ doesn't have the best reputation for prices when it comes to tourism. I live in a tourist town and I heard some tourists complaining that all the cafes were shut, as they shut mid afternoon. IMO some for the attitudes when it comes to hospitality are not good.

Go to St Marks square and see how much of a "surcharge" you get if you sit down.

Go to Germany and try and go shopping on a Sunday .

Try shopping at B&H Photographic in New York during Jewish calendar events.

Oh and this

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2024/03/analysis-why-6-is-too-cheap-for-a-coffee.html

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#3212653 31-Mar-2024 20:21

Lias:

I think we should _abolish_ all public holidays in their entirety and just give everyone an additional 12 days annual leave.

what would happen is people would get paid out for the leave instead of time off and then not get pay rises for a long time until they effectively end up getting paid the same as before.

i see why employers would want that tho because then its no paying 1.5x time and no day off in lue. so its win win win for the employer and the workers loose out.

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#3212658 31-Mar-2024 20:35

If these holidays get cancelled a lot of events would also die.

War Birds over Wanaka for example, organisers and tourists would be under pressure to work at work rather than attend these events.

Lots of clubs would suffer, Medieval reenactment clubs that meet over easter as they take a lot to set up and clean up, all done by volunteers.

Groups like cub/scouts/guides etc who do easter camps because they can get parent volunteers to help.

Fishing competitions, sports events.

All will slowly wither and die

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#3212701 1-Apr-2024 03:31

sir1963:

Go to St Marks square and see how much of a "surcharge" you get if you sit down.

Go to Germany and try and go shopping on a Sunday .

Try shopping at B&H Photographic in New York during Jewish calendar events.

Oh and this

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2024/03/analysis-why-6-is-too-cheap-for-a-coffee.html

Nohing you have posted is relevant to the topic of trading and/or surcharges on public holidays.

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#3212702 1-Apr-2024 03:33

HelloThere: Also, I think that it's unfair that some business choose to shut or are forced to shit for today and the staff have to take AL or they don't get paid.

It is illegal not to pay staff on a public holiday.

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#3212713 1-Apr-2024 08:03

Handle9:

The issue is getting a lecture or called entitled if you have a different opinion to one person. It gets a bit old.

The lecturing is from those that suffer emotionally when businesses paying heavy penal rates decide to increase their revenue to help offset those increased costs.

$3 on a $30 breakfast, geez, yes, its getting old and tiresome.

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#3212714 1-Apr-2024 08:09

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Along with Christmas? Not everything of value can be measured in pounds, shillings and pence.

Very good point. Monday, Tuesday, Christmas Day, whats the difference. Tradition and family is the difference, purely an emotional thing. And a family thing. That would be diluted for the retail employees but the M-F 9 to 5'ers might be happy with it

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