TV1 news just gets worse and worse

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#3298147 16-Oct-2024 17:22

You want to pay Aliexpress prices for your news organization, don't be surprised if you get similar quality. :-0

Our 'Taxpayer dollars' don't buy anymore than any other dollar.

So when you 'reduce the dollars' you send to fund news given inflation don't be surprised it lacks substance.

With Facebook, Twitter/X, Google, TikTok etc eating most of advertising pie that used to mostly stay in New Zealand.
Its a loss not only for money to subsidize local news, but a loss to taxpayer.

Even then these organizations love the Irish, Double Dutch, Sandwich or whatever tax avoidance.
So income is paultry for the large $ haul they take.

NZ Business loses, News Loses, Taxpayer loses.

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#3298148 16-Oct-2024 17:30

yitz:
Groucho:

Broadcast TV news bulletins are only a summary of the day's news and generally not happening live at 6pm. Media releases, Government announcements etc.. are all released well ahead of 6pm to give the broadcasters time to put a package together.

I mean when Simon is presenting it's now obvious a lot of it is pre-recorded because it cuts from him standing in front of the screen to sitting down at the desk.

He could simply be moving the couple of metres back to the desk while the item or live-cross plays of course.

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#3298160 16-Oct-2024 17:49

ezbee:

You want to pay Aliexpress prices for your news organization, don't be surprised if you get similar quality. :-0

Our 'Taxpayer dollars' don't buy anymore than any other dollar.

So when you 'reduce the dollars' you send to fund news given inflation don't be surprised it lacks substance.

With Facebook, Twitter/X, Google, TikTok etc eating most of advertising pie that used to mostly stay in New Zealand.
Its a loss not only for money to subsidize local news, but a loss to taxpayer.

Even then these organizations love the Irish, Double Dutch, Sandwich or whatever tax avoidance.
So income is paultry for the large $ haul they take.

NZ Business loses, News Loses, Taxpayer loses.

It is nothing to do with Aliexpress prices. TVNZ is losing $85million a year. Their news is showy, scripted, theatrical dreck and they could save a lot of money by producing something simple and factual. They are blowing money on production, flashy graphics, websites. Get rid of that crap. Don't spend thousands on meaningless polls then make a news story out of the result. Don't fly the journalist to the news studio to do a fake back-and- forth interview with the newsreader. Don't helicopter the journalist sound and camera crew to some remote location to do a "live cross" that adds little value.

Just report the news.

The "taxpayer dollars" comment was in the context of replying to alasta's comment about expecting something for free. I made no comment about them being different in value to any other kind of "dollars" so not sure what your point is.

What is eating the advertising pie is that a lot of people think the MSM news product is awful and they are switching off.

panther2

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#3298171 16-Oct-2024 18:29

Anything on tvq re politics is hopeless probably due to their reporters

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#3298176 16-Oct-2024 18:47

The advertising pie is going to social media because you can easily target a specific audience demographic and achieve better returns for your ad-spend and have the data to prove it.

Personally I think it's important to keep TVNZ afloat given Discovery is likely to leave NZ eventually and TV is an important way to reach an audience for the Government.

Social Media is the new printing press/distribution method and we allow them too much power over what they want to show us(ie manipulating your news feed rather than showing you all followed posts by date/time) and Googleand FB have shown they are happy to degrade their product(ie removing news in certain markets because Govs want them to pay media) because they know the users will stay on the platform anyway.

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#3298179 16-Oct-2024 18:51

johno1234:

The "taxpayer dollars" comment was in the context of replying to alasta's comment about expecting something for free.

The misconception of TVNZ as a public service broadcaster is the only thing that is keeping their news product alive. You can bet they've had discussions in their boardroom about shutting it down like WBD did earlier this year, but the political ramifications are too scary for them.

It would be interesting to know whether they have considered outsourcing their news bulletin to RNZ, in the same way that WBD outsourced theirs to Stuff.

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#3298197 16-Oct-2024 20:04

alasta

I expect the TVNZ - RadioNZ merger was such an effort use RadioNZ news to lower costs of news overall and other TVNZ costs.

Anyways this is now off the table with 'politics'

Much of TVNZ losses were massive reduction in book asset value by $62.1 million.
Possibly where a lot of the profit payments Parliament demanded came from
not taking these losses in value steadily over many years.

The merger plans were possibly driven by this knowledge.
Loss compounded by massive reductions in advertising revenue on top.

Anyways certain politicians want to get revenge for perceived wrongs, though most vociferous one is quite old and may bow out in a few years.

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#3298198 16-Oct-2024 20:10

loceff13:

Personally I think it's important to keep TVNZ afloat given Discovery is likely to leave NZ eventually and TV is an important way to reach an audience for the Government.

Maori TV exists too, and doesnt have a culture of waste from people that still think its the boom times for broadcast making the decisions.

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#3298296 16-Oct-2024 22:36

old3eyes:
alasta:

If you don't like the news outlets you're using then find better ones. I find RNZ and Newsroom really good.

RNZ = Red Radio. Always pushing the left agenda.

Not necessarily, I remember hearing Kim Hill tear strips off politicians on both sides of the aisle for things they had said and done.

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#3298334 17-Oct-2024 07:08

johno1234:

ezbee:

You want to pay Aliexpress prices for your news organization, don't be surprised if you get similar quality. :-0

Our 'Taxpayer dollars' don't buy anymore than any other dollar.

So when you 'reduce the dollars' you send to fund news given inflation don't be surprised it lacks substance.

With Facebook, Twitter/X, Google, TikTok etc eating most of advertising pie that used to mostly stay in New Zealand.
Its a loss not only for money to subsidize local news, but a loss to taxpayer.

Even then these organizations love the Irish, Double Dutch, Sandwich or whatever tax avoidance.
So income is paultry for the large $ haul they take.

NZ Business loses, News Loses, Taxpayer loses.

It is nothing to do with Aliexpress prices. TVNZ is losing $85million a year. Their news is showy, scripted, theatrical dreck and they could save a lot of money by producing something simple and factual. They are blowing money on production, flashy graphics, websites. Get rid of that crap. Don't spend thousands on meaningless polls then make a news story out of the result. Don't fly the journalist to the news studio to do a fake back-and- forth interview with the newsreader. Don't helicopter the journalist sound and camera crew to some remote location to do a "live cross" that adds little value.

Just report the news.

The "taxpayer dollars" comment was in the context of replying to alasta's comment about expecting something for free. I made no comment about them being different in value to any other kind of "dollars" so not sure what your point is.

What is eating the advertising pie is that a lot of people think the MSM news product is awful and they are switching off.

In all likelihood the 6pm news is highly profitable and pays for a lot of the other content on TVNZ. It's consistently in the top 5 rated TV shows in NZ.

You get the TV that people actually watch not what you think people want to watch or should watch. The people running TV stations aren't complete idiots, despite what "common sense" suggests.

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#3298413 17-Oct-2024 11:27

johno1234:

It is nothing to do with Aliexpress prices. TVNZ is losing $85million a year. Their news is showy, scripted, theatrical dreck and they could save a lot of money by producing something simple and factual. They are blowing money on production, flashy graphics, websites. Get rid of that crap. Don't spend thousands on meaningless polls then make a news story out of the result. Don't fly the journalist to the news studio to do a fake back-and- forth interview with the newsreader. Don't helicopter the journalist sound and camera crew to some remote location to do a "live cross" that adds little value.

Part of it is everything being centralised in Auckland but much of their content in the first 10-15 minutes is not in Auckland. They have all these live crosses to journalists standing outside Parliament (or other locations around the country) which rarely adds value to the item. Especially when said live cross is on the tail of having just broadcast their prerecorded package containing all the relevant content.

With Q&A, TVNZ flew the host of the show (before Jack Tame) plus many of the panelists (when they regularly had panels) and some guests up from Wellington so they could broadcast live from the Auckland studio. At least they saved travel expenses on politicians living outside Auckland as their flights get picked up by the tax payer.

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#3298517 17-Oct-2024 14:14

Lias:

It's 2024, TVNZ is an anachronistic legacy of a time gone by that's only being propped up by our taxpayer dollars and needs to be allowed to die.

As other people have pointed out, TVNZ isn't propped up by the taxpayer at all. It'd probably result in an improvement to the news if it were given some govt cash.

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#3298523 17-Oct-2024 14:36

Back in the late 80's I was "lucky" enough to live in the Soviet Union during the era of "glasnost". Look it up. One of the products of that era was a nightly news show called "600 seconds". Taking aside the political purpose for which it was created, the show covered all the most important local daily news within 10 minutes (hence the name). It was uncensored, gritty and hard hitting. It had a single presenter who did the street work during the 24 hours before, and also presented the show itself. It had the lowest possible production budget and the highest TV ratings for a news show in Russia. Point being - TV news doesn't have to be an hour long, doesn't have to have flash graphics, doesn't have to have a bunch of journalists and a hive of presenters.

Hello, Ground!

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#3298645 17-Oct-2024 16:43

Handle9:

In all likelihood the 6pm news is highly profitable and pays for a lot of the other content on TVNZ. It's consistently in the top 5 rated TV shows in NZ.

You get the TV that people actually watch not what you think people want to watch or should watch. The people running TV stations aren't complete idiots, despite what "common sense" suggests.

That sounds unlikely to me. Be interested to see the breakdown of their expenses in the news department vs their revenue.

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#3298647 17-Oct-2024 16:46

Journeyman:

Lias:

It's 2024, TVNZ is an anachronistic legacy of a time gone by that's only being propped up by our taxpayer dollars and needs to be allowed to die.

As other people have pointed out, TVNZ isn't propped up by the taxpayer at all. It'd probably result in an improvement to the news if it were given some govt cash.

TVNZ is owned by the NZ Government and loses money hand over fist. Therefore the taxpayer is propping it up.

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