Have the police got nothing better to do with their time ?

There are no innocent parties here, but the quite ambiguous wording does leave wiggle room to help explain, but not excuse their subsequent behaviour. 

rb99:

 

Have the police got nothing better to do with their time ?

 

So, you're OK with assault, public endangerment and damage to property going by the by?

Because that's only 2 aspects of this that that have occurred that can be seen as criminal actions. 

Oblivian:

 

rb99:

 

Have the police got nothing better to do with their time ?

 

 

So, you're OK with assault, public endangerment and damage to property going by the by?

 

 

 

Because that's only 2 aspects of this that that have occurred that can be seen as criminal actions. 

 

I meant the fake money bit, the prank bit, not any possible assault by the odd extra greedy person who was there.

rb99:

 

I meant the fake money bit, the prank bit, not any possible assault by the odd extra greedy person who was there.

 

The Reserve deal in the money and decide if they take it further. The police are looking into the entire event as an 'incident' with many varied reports.

Oblivian:

 

rb99:

 

I meant the fake money bit, the prank bit, not any possible assault by the odd extra greedy person who was there.

 

 

The Reserve deal in the money and decide if they take it further. The police are looking into the entire event as an 'incident' with many varied reports.

 

Fair enough. I guess I read it wrong. I just get the general impression that anything wrong was done by a few random attendees not the organisers (who apparently had the go-ahead), even though hindsight says - hmm, maybe not such a good idea.

I freely admit I have not devoured every word on the subject.

It's across the board

Angry people there doing bad. Yes. Hurt kids from pushy adults. Yes. But also appears there was short-comings in the organizational avenues to manage those occurrences. from Council approval, safety and security and management of entry.

Seems police weren't notified about the event, but had a couple for observations given the number of public. From early story:

 

Auckland Central Police Area Commander Inspector Gary Davey said police attended for safety reasons.

 

"There were a number of reports of disorder in the Aotea Square area. Additional units were called to the scene to help ensure the safety of all those involved," he said.

You don't normally stand strong on your own promotion being legit after a bit of blacklash and then pull all trace of the marketing leading to it from your pages and shut down facebook page.

For me, more generally, not very thought out (not good at thinking in general I guess), but IMHO assault should only be a charge for a deliberate act (maybe it is already, I don't know), so someone shouldn't be charged with assault if they are careless (they should be warned, they should apologise), but an assault charge...not so much, depending on exact circumstances, etc.

Again, generally, I'm glad not everyone instantly caves in and issues a grovelling apology because a few people get offended that they didn't get free money, or whatever it happens to be.

Guess a lot of it in this case might be from big difficulty in estimating numbers ?

Maybe shutting down Facebook pages is a result of abuse, as opposed to reasoned criticism.

rb99:

 

For me, more generally, not very thought out (not good at thinking in general I guess), but IMHO assault should only be a charge for a deliberate act (maybe it is already, I don't know), so someone shouldn't be charged with assault if they are careless (they should be warned, they should apologise), but an assault charge...not so much, depending on exact circumstances, etc.

 

Again, generally, I'm glad not everyone instantly caves in and issues a grovelling apology because a few people get offended that they didn't get free money, or whatever it happens to be.

 

Guess a lot of it in this case might be from big difficulty in estimating numbers ?

 

Maybe shutting down Facebook pages is a result of abuse, as opposed to reasoned criticism.

 

Assault is by definition an intentional act.

I think that in this case a grovelling apology is exactly what ought to happen, plus reparation, plus criminal charges. The organisers set out to mislead the public by putting "100K", "cash", "free" close together in their publicity, whilst still trying to stay within the law with weaselly "value" words. People aren't offended because they didn't get free money. They are offended because they were misled into believing they were getting free money.

Wrongly estimating numbers isn't "a lot of it in this case". If there had been only 100 people present, it would still have been a scam. Of course, there would have been no difficulty estimating numbers, if in fact it had been a by-invitation, ticket-only event, as represented to the people who were given tickets.

Throwing out a whole lot of fake $5 notes was the final step in the scam, cruelly designed to raise the victims' hopes, invest more effort, followed by dashing them as they picked up the counterfeits. It could be *expected* to infuriate the victims.

He is the sort of person who will just put things into liquidation if need be and move on to another crap arse company.

Virtually zero real consequences for this sort of person, slap on the wrist wet bus ticket. 

People read what they want to.

To me its quite similar to some of the circulars from New World or Countdown or whoever where you think everything has been reduced in price for the week, but strangely half of the offers just say 'Now 3.99' or 'Only 3.99', nowhere does it mention actual saving.

Anyway, I haven't seen the exact wording of the offer, but imagine if people read it carefully, properly, instead of zeroing in on specific words, this thread just wouldn't exist.

rb99:

 

People read what they want to.

 

To me its quite similar to some of the circulars from New World or Countdown or whoever where you think everything has been reduced in price for the week, but strangely half of the offers just say 'Now 3.99' or 'Only 3.99', nowhere does it mention actual saving.

 

Anyway, I haven't seen the exact wording of the offer, but imagine if people read it carefully, properly, instead of zeroing in on specific words, this thread just wouldn't exist.

 

Hmmm. It does indeed seem to be a generous offer, but, as you mention, small print said Value, so maybe that should have been a warning. I'm not saying I've always read small print, and maybe if I lived in Auckland I might have popped round myself, but I still don't get the demands for reparations and apologies because things didn't work out the way a few people expected them too.

rb99:

 

Hmmm. It does indeed seem to be a generous offer, but, as you mention, small print said Value, so maybe that should have been a warning. I'm not saying I've always read small print, and maybe if I lived in Auckland I might have popped round myself, but I still don't get the demands for reparations and apologies because things didn't work out the way a few people expected them too.

 

Probably because people need to be held accountable to stuff like this otherwise its open season on whatever you want to do.

I hope the comm commission have a good look at it as you cannot emblazon everything in big print and then have an obscure word in the fine print that cancels everything out. 

No matter what planet you are on though if somebody is going to drop 100k be it real or not its going to be a mosh pit of destruction.

Look at the sales over in the states of stampeding people bugger that.

Accountable for what ?

Is there an advertisement that doesn't do that ?

Not if people realise, as someone mentioned on page one of this thread - if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

Maybe, just occasionally, its the fault of the people in the stampede.