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#2677714 20-Mar-2021 18:41

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No. If people violate law because of mental health "issues" then we don't need laws at all. Lawyers are using this to get their clients off. No wonder western society is in its current state of moral declension. Still I wouldn't expect anything less in a post modern, nihilistic, existentialist, idealistic, Godless society.

Gotta be godless with all that moral declension around. We wouldn't want anyone having a thought for themselves or being idealistic when the Chinese are showing us the way. Don't mind my post-modern farts as I navigate past all those big show-off words.

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#2677716 20-Mar-2021 18:49

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No. If people violate law because of mental health "issues" then we don't need laws at all. Lawyers are using this to get their clients off. No wonder western society is in its current state of moral declension. Still I wouldn't expect anything less in a post modern, nihilistic, existentialist, idealistic, Godless society.

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#2677729 20-Mar-2021 20:41

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No. If people violate law because of mental health "issues" then we don't need laws at all. Lawyers are using this to get their clients off. No wonder western society is in its current state of moral declension. Still I wouldn't expect anything less in a post modern, nihilistic, existentialist, idealistic, Godless society.

Wow. Im sure there are lawyers who get their clients off. Take Joseph Parker. Laundering money from drug dealers, not even charged.

I might suggest that you get a grip, look at people with mental health issues, and again get a grip. IIRC 1 in 10 has mental heath issues, maybe more. Its not a simple life any more. Some struggle, then are exposed to "others" who blow it off.

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#2677730 20-Mar-2021 21:06

tdgeek: Im sure there are lawyers who get their clients off.

Here's one
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell

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#2677765 20-Mar-2021 22:37

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No. If people violate law because of mental health "issues" then we don't need laws at all. Lawyers are using this to get their clients off. No wonder western society is in its current state of moral declension. Still I wouldn't expect anything less in a post modern, nihilistic, existentialist, idealistic, Godless society.

Your last two post are a pile of Rabbit jelly beans

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#2677904 21-Mar-2021 12:41

Handle9:
tdgeek: Im sure there are lawyers who get their clients off.

Here's one
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell

Not related to this. He didn't have mental health issues. False equivalence?

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#2677906 21-Mar-2021 12:46

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firewire:

No. If people violate law because of mental health "issues" then we don't need laws at all. Lawyers are using this to get their clients off. No wonder western society is in its current state of moral declension. Still I wouldn't expect anything less in a post modern, nihilistic, existentialist, idealistic, Godless society.

Wow. Im sure there are lawyers who get their clients off. Take Joseph Parker. Laundering money from drug dealers, not even charged.

I might suggest that you get a grip, look at people with mental health issues, and again get a grip. IIRC 1 in 10 has mental heath issues, maybe more. Its not a simple life any more. Some struggle, then are exposed to "others" who blow it off.

Sure no problem with that. People who suffer from depression and suicidal thoughts. I don't understand how making a wrong moral choice actually relates to mental health. A man was shot dead the other week by police because he wouldn't give up his firearm. Talk about mental health. No he was rather angry about something and took it too far. Seen the increase in gun crime lately not to mention the mosque gunman? Is he mentally ill? I've been around long enough to see a difference. No perhaps western isn't in moral declension. It's the norm now.

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#2677911 21-Mar-2021 13:00

Not guilty by reason of insanity has been around as a verdict for ages.

Not guilty because Daddy didn’t hug me often enough, not so much. Today almost anything seems to be “mental illness” and to be honest it’s just too easy an excuse now.

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#2677915 21-Mar-2021 13:29

Geektastic: Not guilty by reason of insanity has been around as a verdict for ages.

Not guilty because Daddy didn’t hug me often enough, not so much. Today almost anything seems to be “mental illness” and to be honest it’s just too easy an excuse now.

There may be some truth in that, but also, mental health is not as stigmatised as it was in the past. So more people don't keep it to themselves for fear of shame. One of our longer serving subscribers has created a Mental Health thread, perhaps you can offer your wisdom and modern day enlightenment there...

You never cease to surprise me.

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#2677917 21-Mar-2021 13:47

Geektastic: Not guilty by reason of insanity has been around as a verdict for ages.

Not guilty because Daddy didn’t hug me often enough, not so much. Today almost anything seems to be “mental illness” and to be honest it’s just too easy an excuse now.

That was my secondary point. When did science become so influential over law? That's rather frightening. No punishment for an obvious violation of law so it's not being applied equally to everybody.

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#2678026 21-Mar-2021 17:04

@firewire If you don’t have a clue about mental does not make the science and the effects of mental wrong personal incredulity also does not make it wrong. I guess all the messages and publicity on mental health did not make it into your knowledge base.

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#2678031 21-Mar-2021 17:15

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When did science become so influential over law?

When did this thread become a Monty Python sketch?

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#2678035 21-Mar-2021 17:47

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Sure no problem with that. People who suffer from depression and suicidal thoughts. I don't understand how making a wrong moral choice actually relates to mental health. A man was shot dead the other week by police because he wouldn't give up his firearm. Talk about mental health. No he was rather angry about something and took it too far. Seen the increase in gun crime lately not to mention the mosque gunman? Is he mentally ill? I've been around long enough to see a difference. No perhaps western isn't in moral declension. It's the norm now.

Pomposity triggers me. Especially religious pomposity. Setting aside for a moment your tumefacted vocabulary, you seem to be assuming a lot of expertise in the fields of psychology, jurisprudence and theology.

The job of a defence attorney is to defend the client. Raising issues of mental health is a perfectly valid defence. Whether that applies in any individual case is up to the judge, jury and expert witnesses to decide. It is not up to a self-appointed vigilante out to correct the existentialist deficiencies of a godless society.

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#2678066 21-Mar-2021 19:52

Not even close to being close.

I simply stated my point of view. If you disagree then fine, I'm not losing any sleep over it. It certainly doesn't warrant a personal attack. I never implied a defense lawyer can't do what they do. I'm most certainly not an expert on psychology and whatever else. You've got triggered on religious pomposity. Seen it all before. The thread topic is NZ is a soft touch. On those who are alleged to have violated some law.

If you want to get theological then the bible says lawlessness will increase in the last days.

On the news tonight: a five year old assaulted a teacher. If they were twenty five years old they'd be in court. Perhaps their parents don't hug them enough?

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#2678071 21-Mar-2021 20:14

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Not even close to being close.

I simply stated my point of view. If you disagree then fine, I'm not losing any sleep over it. It certainly doesn't warrant a personal attack. I never implied a defense lawyer can't do what they do. I'm most certainly not an expert on psychology and whatever else. You've got triggered on religious pomposity. Seen it all before. The thread topic is NZ is a soft touch. On those who are alleged to have violated some law.

If you want to get theological then the bible says lawlessness will increase in the last days.

On the news tonight: a five year old assaulted a teacher. If they were twenty five years old they'd be in court. Perhaps their parents don't hug them enough?

I wasn't attacking you for your point of view. I was making fun of your rather pretentious post. If I correctly understand what you are trying to express, you seem to think that mental illness is being abused as a legal defence. That may or may not be true but if that's what you think, just say so and spare us 'I wouldn't expect anything less in a post modern, nihilistic, existentialist, idealistic, Godless society.'

A violently aggressive five year-old is not a suitable subject for facile comments about not being hugged enough. Such a child has serious problems, and may well be suffering from a mental illness. Your shallow judgmentalism does nothing to improve understanding of this difficult issue.

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