F1 circus cancelled due to effects of climate change

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#3077821 19-May-2023 12:14

davidcole:

This post (in this thread) covered it pretty well: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=304591&page_no=1#3077491

No, not at all. The claim was that F1 introduced technology that is used in EVs and hybrids such as Leaf. Given the context of the question, we're talking about technologies unique to hybrids and EVs, not ICE. I asked to name these technologies.

All this "article" does is repeat the fallacy of regenerative braking coming out of F1, which is a well-known urban myth. Regenerative braking was invented in the 19th century and introduced in hybrids about 10 years before F1 developed KERS. KERS hasn't yet been adopted in any mass-market vehicles as far as I'm aware.

So I'll repeat the question. What technology adopted in mass market hybrid or EV vehicles, came out of F1?

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#3077908 19-May-2023 15:22

Kookoo:

So I'll repeat the question. What technology adopted in mass market hybrid or EV vehicles, came out of F1?

I'd say there's barely any at this stage. Battery tech may push it, but I can't them letting that loose. Aero? Who knows? While the bulk of cars are still ICE and EVs probably being the future, the dumping of the MGU-H may help. There will be more of a push to maximise the battery. There wasn't really a road going application for the MGU-H

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#3077926 19-May-2023 17:44

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I'd say there's barely any at this stage. Battery tech may push it, but I can't them letting that loose. Aero? Who knows? While the bulk of cars are still ICE and EVs probably being the future, the dumping of the MGU-H may help. There will be more of a push to maximise the battery. There wasn't really a road going application for the MGU-H

While not EV related, traction control, aero, regenerative braking. The latter may not be "new" but F1 always does it better. Actually off topic of the OP's post

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#3077930 19-May-2023 18:06

Aero was the only one I could think of. But that's hardly hybrid era exclusive.

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#3077931 19-May-2023 18:08

Kookoo:
davidcole:

This post (in this thread) covered it pretty well: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=304591&page_no=1#3077491

No, not at all. The claim was that F1 introduced technology that is used in EVs and hybrids such as Leaf. Given the context of the question, we're talking about technologies unique to hybrids and EVs, not ICE. I asked to name these technologies.

All this "article" does is repeat the fallacy of regenerative braking coming out of F1, which is a well-known urban myth. Regenerative braking was invented in the 19th century and introduced in hybrids about 10 years before F1 developed KERS. KERS hasn't yet been adopted in any mass-market vehicles as far as I'm aware.

So I'll repeat the question. What technology adopted in mass market hybrid or EV vehicles, came out of F1?

It’s kinda early days for Formula E to be expecting a lot plus modern EV itself is new so generating its own innovation.

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#3077936 19-May-2023 18:28

tl;dr,

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#3077966 19-May-2023 23:21

eugeneykc:

Sometimes Aucklanders forget the power we use to charge our EVs are generated by burning fossil fuel.

Not really...

https://app.em6.co.nz/

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#3077972 20-May-2023 00:35

@eugeneykc:

Reading the em6 portal, it seems all power generation for Auckland is Cogen, am I reading it correctly? While Northland is all geothermal, I assume that's power generated further South and transmitted through Auckland?

It is a mix - the grid is that, a grid for the whole of NZ. If Aucklands generation sources stop then you've still got other generation sources all over NZ including Hydro, Wind etc - the North and South islands are connected by an undersea HVDC cable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_Inter-Island) - it doesn't matter what power company you're with, you're still getting the same mix of electricity.

There have even been situations where generation has reached 99% renewable energy: https://twitter.com/henrycooke/status/1590642182138269696

The last point. Most EV owners charge their cars overnight when the grid is far less loaded. Right now, as I am writing this post it is at 93% renewables and my car is set to charge at around 1am where it'll be above 95%. Regardless of what everyone says that is far better than burning fuel + EV's are around 90% efficient (taking in account losses due to charging etc) vs ICE at around 25% due to most of the power being converted to heat.

A good video around this too:

This is also wildly off-topic. Basically this whole thread is but I am allowing it. Yeah, F1 cars can be somewhat neat to see but they're still burning a tonne of fuel in the process plus the logistics with moving them around too. But something else is F1 is attempting to be Carbon Zero by 2030. It does sound a little green-washy to me, companies like chucking money at the problem without really solving the core issue and still continuing with emissions.

Climate change is real and I seriously don't understand why people don't believe it.

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#3077979 20-May-2023 07:56

michaelmurfy:

This is also wildly off-topic. Basically this whole thread is but I am allowing it. Yeah, F1 cars can be somewhat neat to see but they're still burning a tonne of fuel in the process plus the logistics with moving them around too. But something else is F1 is attempting to be Carbon Zero by 2030. It does sound a little green-washy to me, companies like chucking money at the problem without really solving the core issue and still continuing with emissions.

Climate change is real and I seriously don't understand why people don't believe it.

They use about 100kg per race each. Plus practice sessions. Not really a lot of fuel compared to ICE cars on daily commutes which is occurring 24/7 globally. Motorsport means burning fossil fuels, thats changing over time, but what about the myriad of other sports that travel weekly around the country and around the world? And the millions of spectators driving and flying to the events? Motorsport may seem an easy target but its probably a very low sporting emmission maker

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#3077987 20-May-2023 08:45

@tdgeek it is not about just targeting motorsport. Effective change is about the sum of all change. Motorsport is one part of that sum. Air travel, mass public transport, home heating, industry are parts of the sum.

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