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#304591 18-May-2023 07:43

so the Italian GP is cancelled because of flooding

this says is the cause of effects changing climate

yet these rich people are still flying their circus around the world every 2 weeks while we are forced to drive Nissan Leafs

the report is 2019, now they have even more races to fly to

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/22/france-italy-belgium-the-european-regions-most-at-risk-from-floods-and-sea-level-rise

https://impakter.com/sustainability-and-f1-strive-to-survive/#:~:text=The%20report%20stated%20that%20F1,world%2023%20times%20each%20year.

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#3077355 18-May-2023 07:45

does anyone know the impact of the sea level rise on New Zealand? be good to see the studies on these. i presume the cold deep south will become warm green pastures (or not!)?

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#3077362 18-May-2023 08:41

Last time I checked, no one is forcing you to drive a LEAF.

Encourage, yes. Force, no.

And I assume that since Climate Change is defined as a multi-decadal shift in conditions that the Italian GP is cancelled forever and won’t be back next year?

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#3077364 18-May-2023 08:51

Where do you think some of the technology in your leaf for electric vehicles came from?

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#3077385 18-May-2023 09:17

Maybe I missed something, been under a rock.
But why is it the first I hear about floods etc in this region is an article saying a Formula 1 Motor race was called off?

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#3077389 18-May-2023 09:29

Was only canned this morning due to flooding and a weather warning and will be on in 2024

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-grim-reality-that-made-imolas-f1-weekend-impossible-to-save-/10470580/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/may/17/emilia-romagna-grand-prix-teams-told-stay-away-imola-flood-alert

Its also a tad hard to race an F1 Car on a flooded circuit. it was also called so the many Emergency services that are needed to run the event could focus on flooding.

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#3077395 18-May-2023 09:54

Batman:

this says is the cause of effects changing climate

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/22/france-italy-belgium-the-european-regions-most-at-risk-from-floods-and-sea-level-rise

This study is a huge "scare the horses" exercise looking for a headline and free publicity for the organisation

It is based on "RCP 8.5", which is described as the "worst-case climate change scenario" with emissions continuing to rise....

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#3077396 18-May-2023 09:57

Batman:

so the Italian GP is cancelled because of flooding

this says is the cause of effects changing climate

Pretty sure it was cancelled out of respect for the people in the local area who have been impacted by the floods and a desire not to place additional demands on the services that are supporting them.

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#3077443 18-May-2023 10:12

I drive a mazda 3, 😄 certainly in new zealand there are studies showing us losing metres around the whole coast line - because of melting ice and rising sea levels... and then of course as the techtoninc plates move the north island south of Taupo will disappear...

Im not a fan of F1, too many egos and has just been follow the team with the most money for years... Formula E is way better - and has kiwi drivers. Also, why can Formula E cars make a noise and normal road EVs dont?.

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#3077447 18-May-2023 10:59

Bee:

Also, why can Formula E cars make a noise and normal road EVs dont?.

Normal EVs have more structure enclosing the motor etc, and maybe some insulation. A formula E car is basically the bare minimum to hold together motor(s) the wheels, some controls and a driver in a crash cage.

When I borrowed my neighbours EV for a couple of weeks, I was surprised at just how many noises I did hear while driving. I guess these noises are present in normal cars but drowned out by the engine and transmission.

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#3077472 18-May-2023 12:02

Sound damping/deadening requires extra weight.
Often foam+lead wrapping.

EVs are extremely weight sensitive - manufacturer's chase grams of weight reduction to up the range.
So sound-deadening on EVs is harder to justify.

So they wind up a bit noisier than they could be.

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#3077474 18-May-2023 12:06

pdh:

Sound damping/deadening requires extra weight.
Often foam+lead wrapping.

EVs are extremely weight sensitive - manufacturer's chase grams of weight reduction to up the range.
So sound-deadening on EVs is harder to justify.

So they wind up a bit noisier than they could be.

That explains the spartan fitout/options on may EVs.

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#3077486 18-May-2023 12:48

Its also a tad hard to race an F1 Car on a flooded circuit.

It has always seemed to me that F1 is way too precious and optimised for an unrealistic scenario (circuits have to be swept clean for them!), so WRC is more relevant, and more likely to bring innovations that are useful to the average motorist.

I expect that if the rules said they had to race, regardless of the conditions on the day, they would design cars that were more resilient to nature's vicissitudes.

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#3077491 18-May-2023 13:05

frankv:

Its also a tad hard to race an F1 Car on a flooded circuit.

It has always seemed to me that F1 is way too precious and optimised for an unrealistic scenario (circuits have to be swept clean for them!), so WRC is more relevant, and more likely to bring innovations that are useful to the average motorist.

I expect that if the rules said they had to race, regardless of the conditions on the day, they would design cars that were more resilient to nature's vicissitudes.

You cannot even compare WRC and F1 like that.
One is the highest class of international racing for open-wheel single-seater formula racing cars and the other is a long-distance race for motor vehicles over public roads or rough terrain, typically in several stages.

Given the flooding and emergency, you would see even a WRC race cancelled if it was on this weekend too.

https://trungtphan.com/f1-tech-in-everyday-use/
This is a great place to start to understand what tech is in everyday life from an F1 / Racing Knowledge transfer..
including Hospital ICUs in the mid-90s, a Children’s Hospital in the UK improved its ICU hand-off process by consulting with the Ferrari F1 pit crew team. After changing its protocol, the hospital’s error rate dropped from 30% to 10%

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#3077552 18-May-2023 14:50

Sometimes Aucklanders forget the power we use to charge our EVs are generated by burning fossil fuel.

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#3077559 18-May-2023 15:37

ResponseMediaNZ:

frankv:

It has always seemed to me that F1 is way too precious and optimised for an unrealistic scenario (circuits have to be swept clean for them!), so WRC is more relevant, and more likely to bring innovations that are useful to the average motorist.

I expect that if the rules said they had to race, regardless of the conditions on the day, they would design cars that were more resilient to nature's vicissitudes.

You cannot even compare WRC and F1 like that.
One is the highest class of international racing for open-wheel single-seater formula racing cars and the other is a long-distance race for motor vehicles over public roads or rough terrain, typically in several stages.

Given the flooding and emergency, you would see even a WRC race cancelled if it was on this weekend too.

https://trungtphan.com/f1-tech-in-everyday-use/
This is a great place to start to understand what tech is in everyday life from an F1 / Racing Knowledge transfer..
including Hospital ICUs in the mid-90s, a Children’s Hospital in the UK improved its ICU hand-off process by consulting with the Ferrari F1 pit crew team. After changing its protocol, the hospital’s error rate dropped from 30% to 10%

Well, according to google, F1 races are much longer distance than WRC stages.

You're implying that F1 is 'no limits' racing, but there's plenty of limits placed on the entrants, in terms of which technology they can use, how much money they can spend and so on. Racing in any conditions would be just another limit.

F1 teams use a lot of data to drive their engineering decisions but so do a lot of other high tech organisations. A hospital could just as likely improve their processes by talking to NASA.

As fossil fuelled cars become less and less common and desirable, the relevance of F1 will drop away too. Perhaps in time, an F1 will have the same relevance as a traction engine meeting does today.

I know CC naysayers will argue that while Grey Lynne commuters will migrate to Leafs, those in Lagos or Kolkatta won't be doing the same. Looks like we'll have to get used to more cancelled F1 meets.

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