Auckland Weather 27/01/23 and Cyclone Gabrielle

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#3039406 20-Feb-2023 14:02

Something that came up during a conversation, how are petrol stations in HB moving petrol if there's no power to drive the pumps? Do they keep hand pumps around for emergencies, and if so is this universal for all petrol stations?

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#3039422 20-Feb-2023 14:28

sir1963:

We do not have enough electricity by a lang shot to replace all vehicles with electric.

This has been an issue I have been discussing for several years. How long before NZ will have an electricity crisis. It won't be that long before and EV will be the default car people will buy. But they seem to have been kicking the can down the road. Are we actually creating another future generation to cope with this?
NZ just moves from one crisis to another due to tunnel vision and lack of planning for the population increases. Exactly the same problem with flooding. People are still allowed to subdivide land and then build in flood zones, despite it being a safety issue. Councils instead get people to put something on their title that the land is subject to flooding and that they will not be responsible if it floods.

NZ has had all this growth, and bringing in all these people to work and live here due to shortages, but the businesses benefiting aren't paying enough tax to improve and increase the infrastructure for this population increase. It seems to be total false economy,.

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#3039426 20-Feb-2023 14:35

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NOW also think about the "new" ideology of no one having cars, public transport will do it all, because that is where designs are heading.

Fine for cities, but much of the rest of NZ is very spread out. Buses and trains are very expensive to run when they are nearly empty and I see some many that are nearly empty. Part of it is to do with cost to use public transport, but also due to them not going where people want to go at times people want to go. Also very difficult to transport things in public transport.

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#3039430 20-Feb-2023 14:38

Since we have already had a discussion about all the Geekzoners who refuse to use Facebook and Twitter, and since Geekzone seems to be read by at least some people in officialdom, I would like to address the latter with this heartfelt plea:

Please don’t just blithely assume that everyone is on Facebook and Twitter. Many of us are not, either as a matter of choice or because we don’t know how. If you have something of value to report, then report it. Don’t just say see Facebook for details. That is really irritating and it doesn’t help anyone. Instead, follow RNZ’s excellent example and include a text-only page on your site with whatever information you want people to find on Facebook. It is not difficult and it doesn’t add a lot to your overheads.

Thank you for all your hard work. We know you are hugely overloaded and doing everything you can to help people. Dedicated text pages with important information is another way of achieving that.

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#3039432 20-Feb-2023 14:39

mattwnz: Also very difficult to transport things in public transport.

Rubbish, you can even move house by public transport:

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#3039444 20-Feb-2023 15:08

mattwnz:

This has been an issue I have been discussing for several years. How long before NZ will have an electricity crisis. It won't be that long before and EV will be the default car people will buy. But they seem to have been kicking the can down the road. Are we actually creating another future generation to cope with this?
NZ just moves from one crisis to another due to tunnel vision and lack of planning for the population increases. Exactly the same problem with flooding. People are still allowed to subdivide land and then build in flood zones, despite it being a safety issue. Councils instead get people to put something on their title that the land is subject to flooding and that they will not be responsible if it floods.

NZ has had all this growth, and bringing in all these people to work and live here due to shortages, but the businesses benefiting aren't paying enough tax to improve and increase the infrastructure for this population increase. It seems to be total false economy,.

Yes. To do stuff you need votes, so you can favour some people and not upset too many, but you cannot really spend too much on "invisible" stuff, it needs to be visible and benefits the voters. If you listed all the stuff that needs doing some are vote catchers some arent. Needless to say, recent events have risen some infrastructure up the list where there is a clear need and will get votes, but not a few weeks ago at the expense of other vote catching ideas

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#3039445 20-Feb-2023 15:17

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I just listened to Stuart Nash being interviewed (more like grilled) on breakfast radio as Police Minister. It was concerning the level of lawless behaviour in HB (dirty scumbags). I was impressed (which in itself is saying something) with his engagement and attitude in getting on top of it. So good to have a proper Police Minister again.

My friends in Hawke's Bay regardless of political views pretty much froth when you mention his name. He seems to be very unpopular with a lot of the locals because of the way he's (not) dealing with the gangs. The general consensus seems to be that the police should be shooting them on sight.

That is not the Aotearoa we want. We have a justice system not summary execution

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3039448 20-Feb-2023 15:26

MikeB4:

Lias:

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My friends in Hawke's Bay regardless of political views pretty much froth when you mention his name. He seems to be very unpopular with a lot of the locals because of the way he's (not) dealing with the gangs. The general consensus seems to be that the police should be shooting them on sight.

That is not the Aotearoa we want. We may not have a very effective justice system not ,but summary execution is not the solution either.

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#3039450 20-Feb-2023 15:28

neb: Something that came up during a conversation, how are petrol stations in HB moving petrol if there's no power to drive the pumps? Do they keep hand pumps around for emergencies, and if so is this universal for all petrol stations?

Those in Hastings had mains power (almost) continuously and were able to pump fine.
Some of them lost comms, so had no EFTPOS, so were cash only (hollow laugh - virtually nobody under about 50 carries cash anymore except the gangs / drug dealers).

The ones in Napier, Wairoa, etc had neither power nor comms, so were out of service. There are no more manual pump crank handles, they are 100% electronic these days: no electrickery, no pumping. They have relied on the local lines company (Unison?) to bring in generators - they have provided them to medical centres, service stations and supermarkets as 'essential infrastructure'.

I think there is an extremely good case for a legislative change to require (?selected?) supermarkets, service stations, medical centres & pharmacies to provide emergency contingency services through power (a genset or PV + big batteries) and comms (effectively Starlink a.t.m., plus OneWeb from January 2024).

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#3039501 20-Feb-2023 16:16

PolicyGuy:

Those in Hastings had mains power (almost) continuously and were able to pump fine.
Some of them lost comms, so had no EFTPOS, so were cash only (hollow laugh - virtually nobody under about 50 carries cash anymore except the gangs / drug dealers).

A year back, one of my teens worked the night shift at the local BP - they always had oodles of cash because every single night, an innocuous-looking middle aged bloke came in and bought $1-2,000 worth of tobacco with bundles of cash. That's not at all suspicious.

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#3039505 20-Feb-2023 16:23

I don't carry cash and haven't done so for years however, I do have an sum of cash comprising notes an coins in our emergency containers and grab and dash bags. I believe it is prudent for everyone that has the luxury do this should.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3039508 20-Feb-2023 16:34

Some video on what its been like on roads, and trying to get to isolated communities.

https://www.youtube.com/@geoffmackley/videos

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#3039513 20-Feb-2023 16:43

Gurezaemon:
A year back, one of my teens worked the night shift at the local BP - they always had oodles of cash because every single night, an innocuous-looking middle aged bloke came in and bought $1-2,000 worth of tobacco with bundles of cash. That's not at all suspicious.

No, no, not at all.

No more suspicious than the middle aged man who sat on a wooden box at an Commonwealth Bank of Australia 'Smart ATM' feeding $50 notes into the deposit slot all weekend (occasional comfort breaks excepted) on several occasions.
This was so unremarkable that no bank employee passing by noticed it, nobody looking at CCTV footage noticed it, the bank employee emptying the ATM never gave it even a moment's thought, and the local branch manager was completely unsurprised when his cash machine suddenly started taking in huge volumes of cash.
To make matters even more unremarkable, there was an "oversight" in the ATM back-end software setup so that ATM cash deposits were not reported to the Anti-Money-Laundering authorities, no matter how large they were.

The Ozzie Royal Commission into the banking industry said that over Seventy Million Australian dollars was laundered by deposit to ATM, transfer to a non-cooperative overseas jurisdiction, and then likely transferred back to a completely different bank in a different state as clean money.

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#3039535 20-Feb-2023 17:30

GV27:

There was a downpour on Saturday in an extremely localised part of Auckland - we got a few spits but could see the 'shower curtain' moving across the city from South to North.

Metservice picked up 29mm over two hours on the Auckland Central data, but we only got a few spits driving from East to West on our way home.

Was also interesting to see the usual summer heat upwell effect on the Waitakeres doing its thing yesterday, there was a brief shower in Massey as a result.

We received 15 mm in 10 minutes from this, large drops. Two minutes down the road was no rain. Lower Kaipara Hbr.

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#3039631 20-Feb-2023 19:49

PolicyGuy:

Gurezaemon:
A year back, one of my teens worked the night shift at the local BP - they always had oodles of cash because every single night, an innocuous-looking middle aged bloke came in and bought $1-2,000 worth of tobacco with bundles of cash. That's not at all suspicious.

No, no, not at all.

No more suspicious than the middle aged man who sat on a wooden box at an Commonwealth Bank of Australia 'Smart ATM' feeding $50 notes into the deposit slot all weekend (occasional comfort breaks excepted) on several occasions.
This was so unremarkable that no bank employee passing by noticed it, nobody looking at CCTV footage noticed it, the bank employee emptying the ATM never gave it even a moment's thought, and the local branch manager was completely unsurprised when his cash machine suddenly started taking in huge volumes of cash.

That's the thing about middle aged men, we're unremarkable and invisible. People lose sleep at night thinking about gangsters with tattoos on their faces but it's the middle aged bloke embezzling your pension you really should be worried about.

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