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#1268117 26-Mar-2015 09:32

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xpd: I like the fact JC always said what he was thinking (well..as much as he could) on a family show, little bit un-PC, little bit racist etc but arent we all really ?

No.

I am more than just a little un PC

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#1268120 26-Mar-2015 09:32

I dont watch TG much anymore. It's gone from an entertaining car show to a reality, scripted, show where its more about pushing the social edge, rather than a funny, car show.

I also feel the other two can carry it, if they chose to

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#1268127 26-Mar-2015 09:36

dafman:
xpd: I like the fact JC always said what he was thinking (well..as much as he could) on a family show, little bit un-PC, little bit racist etc but arent we all really ?

No.

Yes we are, It's a built in human condition. A basic human defense mechanism is to stereotype things (people) on the information we have available at the time. Some of that information is race.

People behave differently depending where they were brought up ie what the culture was etc. So when we see a person from that culture/race we automatically assign those behaviors to them until we know differently.

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#1268136 26-Mar-2015 09:43

KiwiNZ: If this occurred as reported in a team I was managing it would have resulted in dismissal.

I would give them 1/2 a day off and $200 to go to the pub and sort out their differences, After all chances are it was the one getting punched that need the firing anyway.

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#1268137 26-Mar-2015 09:43

Dingbatt:

The asteroid was always coming to wipe out the dinosaur. It just arrived a little earlier than expected.

i beg to differ. he got drunk and assaulted a BBC producer. where was the asteroid?

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#1268140 26-Mar-2015 09:45

jonathan18: It's weird to see this defence of Clarkson and his actions, when I think they're really indefensible.

JimmyC:Whilst I certainly do not condone physical violence toward a co-worker, I think the BBC has become way to PC these days...

Seriously? By suggesting it's somehow alright that Clarkson attacked another BBC worker (or at least suggesting it's not a good enough reason to not renew his contract) I'd say that is getting close to saying physical violence is ok or acceptable in such cases. or perhaps it should be tolerated because he's important and the BBC needs him more than he needs them?

Geektastic: [snip] the BBC is partly to blame because they should have ensured proper catering was available for everyone at whatever time they finished filming. As press reports have pointed out, the BBC is poor at looking after talent.

The BBC should take NO responsibility for Clarkson's attack on the the guy. Whether or not they should have ensured Clarkson's every whim should be met at whatever time he deigned to show up after being on the turps for hours is another matter, but it Clarkson needs to take full responsibility for the decision to get physical (and verbally abusive).

Place this in a more 'normal' employment context - if Joe Worker acted like that AFTER numerous warnings for inappropriate/unacceptable behaviour, I bet you'd get the same result. To also suggest like someone did above that his employment status shouldn't be affected if he wasn't prosecuted/found guilty of assault is also ludicrous - behaviour doesn't have to be proven in court to be illegal to warrant action in the employment setting.

Yes, I think Clarkson's a total plonker, but can also be really amusing. I also remain a regular viewer of Top Gear and will miss him and it, but in the end the BBC made the right decision to not tolerate this behaviour (and I'm pleasantly surprised they had the balls to do so, given the cash cow that the programme apparently is for them).

all this nonsense is going around because it happened in the UK. if it happened in the USA we're all in court now listening to a 100 million dollar lawsuit of the producer suing clarkson, the BBC and anyone that had anything to do with said dinosaur

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#1268165 26-Mar-2015 10:00

Summary of thread so far…

Just a little punch.
Nothing really serious like kids riding on a baggage conveyor.

#include <standard.disclaimer>

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#1268167 26-Mar-2015 10:03

yeah, everybody who support JC i suggest they too try that on their boss and post here what happens. ok? ;p

PS don't do that in the USA/Australia unless you want to be bankrupt

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#1268172 26-Mar-2015 10:10

joker97: yeah, everybody who support JC i suggest they too try that on their boss and post here what happens. ok? ;p

Does slamming them up against the wall and explaining how the world really works count? If so, then the result was a better understanding of the world by the boss.

I think he became a better person for it.

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#1268178 26-Mar-2015 10:19

This punch, and loud, lengthy verbal abuse is just the latest of many actions by JC. While he was the leading light in the trio, to me, i find him boring, as I continually have to filter out the BS, brashness attitude, same old comments, to get to the cool humour. His bad attitude has been overdone. Typical reality show stuff.

Don't replace him, the other two can take charge, and get a new third man in. Not Fry either. Take TG back to a car show (not a do stupid/irrelevant stuff with a car theme). Louder and wackier isn't always better

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#1268179 26-Mar-2015 10:19

i think regardless of whether one thinks drunken assault of a colleague during a work assignment is defensible or not,

his handful of shows a year is good entertainment. i think he will make a good entertainer of any genre ... like paul henry, but quite the better.

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#1268194 26-Mar-2015 10:24

tdgeek: This punch, and loud, lengthy verbal abuse is just the latest of many actions by JC. While he was the leading light in the trio, to me, i find him boring, as I continually have to filter out the BS, brashness attitude, same old comments, to get to the cool humour. His bad attitude has been overdone. Typical reality show stuff.

Don't replace him, the other two can take charge, and get a new third man in. Not Fry either. Take TG back to a car show (not a do stupid/irrelevant stuff with a car theme). Louder and wackier isn't always better

i think it's up to the other 2 whether they want to stay.

i disagree, a lot of filtering needed for JC's boring talk but his gems more than make up for those bits. i like how he dissects into the heart of a vehicle and rips out their souls and leaves the viewer shaken. the effect is more pronounced when such a vehicle is within budget of normal people.

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#1268200 26-Mar-2015 10:27

mdooher:
KiwiNZ: If this occurred as reported in a team I was managing it would have resulted in dismissal.

I would give them 1/2 a day off and $200 to go to the pub and sort out their differences, After all chances are it was the one getting punched that need the firing anyway.

I will never reward violence and bullying in the work place. I regard it as serious misconduct that will result in dismissal.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1268201 26-Mar-2015 10:28

KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
KiwiNZ: If this occurred as reported in a team I was managing it would have resulted in dismissal.

I would give them 1/2 a day off and $200 to go to the pub and sort out their differences, After all chances are it was the one getting punched that need the firing anyway.

I will never reward violence and bullying in the work place. I regard it as serious misconduct that will result in dismissal.

If I was in your team I would beat myself up.

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#1268204 26-Mar-2015 10:29

mdooher:
joker97: yeah, everybody who support JC i suggest they too try that on their boss and post here what happens. ok? ;p

Does slamming them up against the wall and explaining how the world really works count? If so, then the result was a better understanding of the world by the boss.

I think he became a better person for it.

That is battery and again serious misconduct that should result in dismissal.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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