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#1965505 28-Feb-2018 09:17

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Geektastic: So a week to go and still no documents.

Is it an offence not to fill in something they don't send you?

How do you know they didnt send it? Seems like everyone has theirs. Check the local PO perhaps. They may just give you home detention and 30 lashes for a first offence

Well, I checked our PO Box Monday and Tuesday and it was not there. I will check each day this week until the weekend and up to the day of the event. If it never arrives, I cannot really complete it.

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#1965514 28-Feb-2018 09:27

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

Geektastic: So a week to go and still no documents.

Is it an offence not to fill in something they don't send you?

How do you know they didnt send it? Seems like everyone has theirs. Check the local PO perhaps. They may just give you home detention and 30 lashes for a first offence

Well, I checked our PO Box Monday and Tuesday and it was not there. I will check each day this week until the weekend and up to the day of the event. If it never arrives, I cannot really complete it.

Do you not have a letterbox at your "dwelling"? As I'm not sure if they send them to PO Boxes since it's based on the physical property/dwelling.

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#1965515 28-Feb-2018 09:28

Ours went straight in the trash can.

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#1965525 28-Feb-2018 09:34

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MikeAqua:

I have my browsers configured to reject cookies. So I guess it won't be possible to compete the census.

I see you don't use much of the internet at all then.

I accept cookies for sites I want to stay logged into (e.g. GZ or NBR). Otherwise I generally browse in incognito mode.

This very rarely stops me from accessing anything I want to look at.

Mike

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#1965527 28-Feb-2018 09:36

Benjip:

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

Geektastic: So a week to go and still no documents.

Is it an offence not to fill in something they don't send you?

How do you know they didnt send it? Seems like everyone has theirs. Check the local PO perhaps. They may just give you home detention and 30 lashes for a first offence

Well, I checked our PO Box Monday and Tuesday and it was not there. I will check each day this week until the weekend and up to the day of the event. If it never arrives, I cannot really complete it.

Do you not have a letterbox at your "dwelling"? As I'm not sure if they send them to PO Boxes since it's based on the physical property/dwelling.

No, we do not. Nor can strangers enter the property without climbing the fence.

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#1965535 28-Feb-2018 09:45

Is it too much to ring them and get a resolution? 0800 236 787

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#1965656 28-Feb-2018 11:20

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Is it too much to ring them and get a resolution? 0800 236 787

I'm trying to establish whether my legal obligation to complete it extends to assisting them to deliver it...

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#1965712 28-Feb-2018 11:50

Geektastic:

linw:

Is it too much to ring them and get a resolution? 0800 236 787

I'm trying to establish whether my legal obligation to complete it extends to assisting them to deliver it...

You are supposed to try and obtain the form.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0001/latest/DLM430900.html

Basically if the govt is incompetent in delivery of it's forms/letters etc it's officially the non-recipient's fault.

But if they don't know anyone lives at your place...

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#1965713 28-Feb-2018 11:50

I'm genuinely surprised at the obstinateness and resistance of some posters here to participate in a pretty simple activity that comes around once every 5 years.

I also can't figure out whether these folk have privacy/security concerns, are exercising some form of rebellion, or some other reason.

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#1965721 28-Feb-2018 11:56

floydbloke:

I'm genuinely surprised at the obstinateness and resistance of some posters here to participate in a pretty simple activity that comes around once every 5 years.

I also can't figure out whether these folk have privacy/security concerns, are exercising some form of rebellion, or some other reason.

As long as they dont whine if any Govt plans dont work or dont fit the population density/location

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#1965725 28-Feb-2018 11:57

MikeAqua:

Geektastic:

linw:

Is it too much to ring them and get a resolution? 0800 236 787

I'm trying to establish whether my legal obligation to complete it extends to assisting them to deliver it...

You are supposed to try and obtain the form.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0001/latest/DLM430900.html

Basically if the govt is incompetent in delivery of it's forms/letters etc it's officially the non-recipient's fault.

But if they don't know anyone lives at your place...

Stats doesnt deliver the mail, NZ Post does. Mail can go missing, nothing has changed.

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#1965736 28-Feb-2018 12:08

floydbloke:

I'm genuinely surprised at the obstinateness and resistance of some posters here to participate in a pretty simple activity that comes around once every 5 years.

I also can't figure out whether these folk have privacy/security concerns, are exercising some form of rebellion, or some other reason.

My basic objection is two fold:-

1) That people are forced to provide information (without consent) and then that information is made available for all manner of research activity, by all manner of third parties. From a research perspective I see that as unethical.

2) Stats sells info that they gain by compulsion. Stats force citizens and companies to undertake unpaid work to create value for Stats. I see that as highly unethical. Pay me minimum wage for my time and I have no objection. Time cannot be replaced

Another observation - the level of detailed information being collected is getting creepy. I generally object to people sticking their snout into my business. In particular I object if the interest is from an organisation.

Govt agencies have been shown repeatedly and publicly to be poor custodians of private info. Why would stats be any different?

Mike

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#1965776 28-Feb-2018 12:28

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Pay me minimum wage for my time and I have no objection. Time cannot be replaced

I don't see the point. Pay you (say) $5 to complete the form. That money has to come from somewhere, so taxes go up and you're no better off. But administering that payment and all the the stuff that goes with it would at least quadruple the cost.

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#1965820 28-Feb-2018 13:02

MikeAqua:
Geektastic:

linw:

Is it too much to ring them and get a resolution? 0800 236 787

I'm trying to establish whether my legal obligation to complete it extends to assisting them to deliver it...

You are supposed to try and obtain the form.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0001/latest/DLM430900.html

Basically if the govt is incompetent in delivery of it's forms/letters etc it's officially the non-recipient's fault.

But if they don't know anyone lives at your place...

They send us voting papers to the same PO Box so one imagines they know....

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#1965822 28-Feb-2018 13:07

floydbloke:
I'm genuinely surprised at the obstinateness and resistance of some posters here to participate in a pretty simple activity that comes around once every 5 years.

I also can't figure out whether these folk have privacy/security concerns, are exercising some form of rebellion, or some other reason.

I generally dislike bureaucracy on principle. Also I dislike the fact that they get to force me to do things yet when you want them to do something they habitually take forever, mess it up or demonstrate low competency.

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