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  #3284015 19-Sep-2024 12:00
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Hopefully that's the end of it then.





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  #3284018 19-Sep-2024 12:22
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Would they have known one was not on a airliner at the time of setting them off?


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  #3284023 19-Sep-2024 12:48
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cruxis:

 

Would they have known one was not on a airliner at the time of setting them off?

 

 

Would they care?  Netanyahu (and Hamas for that matter) seems quite happy to cause collateral damage.





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  #3284025 19-Sep-2024 12:55
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cruxis:

Would they have known one was not on a airliner at the time of setting them off?



Would it have had signal?

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  #3284034 19-Sep-2024 13:31
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Ge0rge: 

Would it have had signal?

 

Should have been set to flight mode. 





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  #3284037 19-Sep-2024 13:54
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cddt:

 

Ge0rge: 

Would it have had signal?

 

Should have been set to flight mode. 

 

 

Pagers are strictly passive "one way" devices,   they don't have modes- just on or off, 

 

Its just like using the GPS on your phone... works fine in flight mode....


 
 
 
 

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  #3284038 19-Sep-2024 13:55
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The additional intel value is huge too, all those juicy hospital intake records and discovering a bunch of people deemed important, previously unknown to them. I doubt this will be the last of events while Hezbollah is scrambling during the coming weeks/months.


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  #3284041 19-Sep-2024 14:00
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PolicyGuy: Hezbollah will have to revert to couriers to deliver information & orders, which is much slower. 

 

It's also much more secure against interception.  Towards the end of WWII the Allies ran into increasing difficulties getting access to German comms because as the borders of the Reich contracted they moved from radio links to landlines.  One of the reasons why the Alpine Fortress deception was supposedly so effective was because few details were communicated over radio so the allies couldn't figure out it was a deception and also couldn't rely on the lack of chatter an an indication that it was a deception.

 

The US had the same problem in Afghanistan, the stuff the Taliban were doing was so primitive that their high-tech surveillance gear and procedures were ineffective.

 

In this case Mossad have burned an easily-observed comms channel and replaced it with a pretty difficult-to-observe one, an significant loss in SIGINT terms.


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  #3284044 19-Sep-2024 14:12
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neb:

 

In this case Mossad have burned an easily-observed comms channel and replaced it with a pretty difficult-to-observe one, an significant loss in SIGINT terms.

 

 

Granted its a "swings and roundabouts" game, but pagers are impossible to track and they only contain one data point.. a return phone number, - which if they are clever is likely to be a one time number spun up for the occasion...

 

Exposing many thousands of Hezbollah operatives is a big win, and following it up by taking out walkie-talkies (which were the likely fall back)  says that IDF/MOssad/etc are heavily embedded into Hezbollah operations......  and will really destabilise Hezbollah... 

 

The uncertainty it will generate over the next 6 months is pretty invaluable, and will seriously degrade the command/control/coordination activities at a time when it needed to be fully functional to go on larger offensives against Israel...

 

On the whole its likely a gain for Israel.. 


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  #3284056 19-Sep-2024 15:04
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wellygary:

 

Granted its a "swings and roundabouts" game, but pagers are impossible to track and they only contain one data point.. a return phone number, - which if they are clever is likely to be a one time number spun up for the occasion...

 

Exposing many thousands of Hezbollah operatives is a big win, and following it up by taking out walkie-talkies (which were the likely fall back)  says that IDF/MOssad/etc are heavily embedded into Hezbollah operations......  and will really destabilise Hezbollah... 

 

The uncertainty it will generate over the next 6 months is pretty invaluable, and will seriously degrade the command/control/coordination activities at a time when it needed to be fully functional to go on larger offensives against Israel...

 

On the whole its likely a gain for Israel.. 

 

 

Counter Terrorism. A taste of their own medicine.

 

Now we need to find a way to explode something of perpetrators of Ransomware. Esp. if they target Infrastructure, Healthcare or education.

 

 

 

 


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  #3284181 19-Sep-2024 18:57
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The pager used doesn't use a lithium battery.

This typical pager runs on a AAA battery for about 3 to 4 weeks under normal usage conditions.

What Causes Pagers To Explode

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In this video I discuss how pagers and other electronic devices were modified to explode all over Lebanon, and how the explosion is not simply a cyber attack causing the lithium batteries to fail.


 
 
 

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  #3284275 19-Sep-2024 22:44
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Israel confirms strikes in southern Lebanon

 

Aljazeera: Israel military says 7 Hezbollah sites hit in southern Lebanon. The Israeli military has said it struck six Hezbollah “terrorist infrastructure sites” and a weapons storage facility in southern Lebanon overnight, as fears of a full-blown war grew. The air force “struck Hezbollah terrorist infrastructure sites in the areas of Chihine, Tayibe, Blida, Meiss El Jabal, Aitaroun and Kfarkela in southern Lebanon, as well as a Hezbollah weapons storage facility in the area of Khiam in southern Lebanon,” a military statement said.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #3284290 20-Sep-2024 05:11
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kingdragonfly: The pager used doesn't use a lithium battery.

 

Reputable news outlets are saying it was an AR 924 pager which does in fact use lithium batteries.


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  #3284314 20-Sep-2024 07:31
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They may have had several models compromised.

The video above shows a model that does use AAA batteries. Plus the manufacturer was visited by by Taiwan police.

The company has product licensing / manufacturing rights licensing, in exchange for royalty payments. Instead of intercepting a shipment, Israel may have had another company to produce, market, and sell the pager.

It's possible Israel just sold there model cheaper than anyone else. They may have initially sold good models, and then switched to bad ones.

The point is a lithium battery couldn't cause that much shrapnel damage.

Also in video, shown is a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 experiencing a battery explosions while someone held it. The lithium batteries exploded due to a combination of Samsung's design and manufacturing flaws. While the burn was unpleasant, unless

The Samsung Galaxy Note 7 experienced a series of battery explosions due to a combination of design and manufacturing flaws.


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  #3284592 20-Sep-2024 17:59
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An odd media company: Trinity Broadcasting of Texas, Inc. is an international Christian-based broadcast television network and the world's largest religious television network.

It is global purveyors of a rigidly right-wing political and social agenda, including abortion access and same-sex marriage. It has also been involved in dubious movements such as "prosperity gospel"

They have a lot of programming about the "end times", a period leading up to the return of Jesus Christ and the final judgment. This includes the "Rapture": believed to be true Christian will be taken up to heaven, leaving the rest of humanity to face the tribulations on Earth.

Hence the intense interest in any conflict in Israel.

Thousand injured In Hezbollah Pager Attack; IDF On high alert of retaliation

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