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  #3407670 26-Aug-2025 20:50
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kiwifidget:

 

Are you sure?

 

 

 

 

Muffled response... ye.sss, I can allllsooo confirm.. it's cold in..

 

 Here....and wiiiffiii isn't very good.

 

 

 

 

But still warmer than the average Otago Student flat during winter...




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  #3407671 26-Aug-2025 20:51
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But still warmer than the average Otago Student flat during winter...

 

 

 

 

Yeah but if I check if the lights are on and try and use the WiFi from my fridge, I am substantially less likely to be arrested.


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  #3407673 26-Aug-2025 21:06
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So long as I can still buy milk in that special plastic bottle that keeps the light out, I'll be happy.

 

 

We buy bottles that keep the lite in.

 

 

I never thought of it that way, it keeps the light out and the lite in!!!

 

Milk Lite 98.5% Fat Free

 

But here is what I know for sure, milk in this style of container lasts ages in our fridge, which may or may not be dark inside.

 

We can go weeks after the best before date.

 

The containers where you can see how much milk is left from the outside, that milk does not keep as long.





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  #3407699 27-Aug-2025 01:26
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We can go weeks after the best before date.

 

 

The problem with checking the ’best before’ date is that the print is so small. To read it you have to hold the bottle up close to your face - I guess that’s why they say milk needs to be past-your-eyes.





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  #3407747 27-Aug-2025 03:46
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Fonterra is a consumer products business.

 

 

Fonterra had a very poorly performing consumer business which was margin and ROIC dilutive. It’s not a consumer business anymore because of that. 


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  #3407767 27-Aug-2025 09:10
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Farmers live with risk and stress, work hard doing dirty work that city folk could not stand doing and the primary sector stops NZ from going broke. 

 

 

 

 

So sick of that argument. You do the job that suits you best.

 

I have spent several nights with a slimy lamb stuffed down my shirt to try to keep it alive after it was born in the middle of the night in July and its stupid mother couldn't figure out what to do when it slid 2m further down the hill so I do have some appreciation for the life of a farmer and I am perfectly happy to say that no, that is not the life for me. But equally as such, I know a bunch of really specialised things that farmers don't. Most farmers wouldn't want to be staring at a computer screen 10 hours a day attempting to decode packet captures for a network problem and evaluating the result on the context of how a mobile phone network goes together. Most farmers wouldn't want to be doing a whole bunch of things that we on GZ do every day to make a living.

 

Yes, without farmers cities wouldn't have anything to eat.

 

Without cities, farmers wouldn't have tractors, light bulbs, fertiliser, banks to lend them money to buy tractors, electricity for the light bulbs, phones and internet to complain about how city folk are a bunch of weaklings over or any customers to sell their milk powder to.

 

Stop with this us and them crap.

 

 





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  #3407769 27-Aug-2025 09:27
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No need to be so hostile. It's not about us and them. Farmers are business owners - like a city guy who runs a business building and exporting widgets. We as non shareholders have no right to be getting stuck into them for their business disposal decisions. It is their own property to do with as they like. That they have collectively created a crisis-resilient industry that has propped up New Zealand over its entire existence is something that people should be grateful for. However we have a lot of people who have done stuff-all moaning about them.

 

 

 

 


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  #3407770 27-Aug-2025 09:28
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So sick of that argument. You do the job that suits you best.

 

I have spent several nights with a slimy lamb stuffed down my shirt to try to keep it alive after it was born in the middle of the night in July and its stupid mother couldn't figure out what to do when it slid 2m further down the hill so I do have some appreciation for the life of a farmer and I am perfectly happy to say that no, that is not the life for me. But equally as such, I know a bunch of really specialised things that farmers don't. Most farmers wouldn't want to be staring at a computer screen 10 hours a day attempting to decode packet captures for a network problem and evaluating the result on the context of how a mobile phone network goes together. Most farmers wouldn't want to be doing a whole bunch of things that we on GZ do every day to make a living.

 

Yes, without farmers cities wouldn't have anything to eat.

 

Without cities, farmers wouldn't have tractors, light bulbs, fertiliser, banks to lend them money to buy tractors, electricity for the light bulbs, phones and internet to complain about how city folk are a bunch of weaklings over or any customers to sell their milk powder to.

 

Stop with this us and them crap.

 

 

Farms can exist without Cities. Cities can't exist without farms. 

 

I'd wager a lot more farmers would be prepared to move into your type of role, than your type of role would be prepared to switch to farming.

 

It's not 'them and us "crap"' as you so crudely put it, it's about protecting critical functions of our economy and survival.

 

You seem to have a much bigger chip on your shoulder about "them and us", than most farmers do. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #3407771 27-Aug-2025 09:29
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"Without cities, farmers wouldn't have tractors, light bulbs, fertiliser, banks to lend them money to buy tractors, electricity for the light bulbs, phones and internet to complain about how city folk are a bunch of weaklings over or any customers to sell their milk powder to.

 

Stop with this us and them crap."

 

You just made your own us-and-them argument then followed up with "Stop with this us and them crap."


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  #3407773 27-Aug-2025 09:40
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johno1234:

 

"Without cities, farmers wouldn't have tractors, light bulbs, fertiliser, banks to lend them money to buy tractors, electricity for the light bulbs, phones and internet to complain about how city folk are a bunch of weaklings over or any customers to sell their milk powder to.

 

Stop with this us and them crap."

 

You just made your own us-and-them argument then followed up with "Stop with this us and them crap."

 

 

 

 

No, I made a "This is a society. We all support each other in different ways." argument.





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  #3407786 27-Aug-2025 10:32
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SaltyNZ:

 

No, I made a "This is a society. We all support each other in different ways." argument.

 

 

Despite your intent, I don't think that was how it was perceived. 

 

 


 
 
 

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  #3407813 27-Aug-2025 11:27
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SaltyNZ:

 

No, I made a "This is a society. We all support each other in different ways." argument.

 

 

Despite your intent, I don't think that was how it was perceived. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough





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  #3407815 27-Aug-2025 11:28
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Oh well, sounds like we are all still friends then!

 

 


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  #3407831 27-Aug-2025 13:01
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Every time I see a "No farmers, no food" bumper sticker, I desperately want to get a "No Bankers, no easy means for transfer of value" one. 

 

Feel like it's quite a myopic view of how society works. 


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  #3407835 27-Aug-2025 13:39
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lachlanw:

 

Every time I see a "No farmers, no food" bumper sticker, I desperately want to get a "No Bankers, no easy means for transfer of value" one. 

 

Feel like it's quite a myopic view of how society works. 

 

 

 

 

We could close 90% of farms and STILL have more than enough food for NZ.

 

New Zealand feeds 0.5% of the worlds population, we are effectively a rounding error.

 

with just 100 more high tech businesses like F&P Healthcare, we would have a better standard of living than Australia.

 

EVERY country with a better standard of living than NZ does NOT rely heavily on primary produce exports, we are an anomaly in that regard.


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