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#3445146 18-Dec-2025 09:06

And still nobody has come up with a practical approach to preventing this sort of thing in the future. I beginning to think there isn't one.

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#3445147 18-Dec-2025 09:11

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Its events like these that make you ask if you really know the people closest to you. Two thirds of my family are now in timeout on my social media channels from the absolute nonsense they are spouting. I always knew there was an undercurrent of racism circulating within my family and it was one of the reasons why I left Australia back in 2011. But what has come out of them in the last 2 days makes me embarrased for them and little bit ashamed to be associated with them.

While nowhere is perfect I'm glad my long term future lies here in NZ.

My parents left Australia because of racism and xenophobia...

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#3445259 18-Dec-2025 11:21

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Well the remaining shooter has woken and been charged with 15 counts of murder and 1 of comitting a terrorist act.

Let's hope this can get through the courts with the minimum amount of coverage, least amount of harm to the victims families and friends, and without giving this person any more attention than they absolutely must have to let justice do it's thing.

Can he actually be charged for the murders his father committed? I certainly hope so but does the law allow that?

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#3445261 18-Dec-2025 11:30

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And still nobody has come up with a practical approach to preventing this sort of thing in the future. I beginning to think there isn't one.

You can't do much when it's lone wolf style attacks where they don't tell anyone prior but certainly this one should have set off red flags with the prior isis link and the travel to a high risk country.

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#3445263 18-Dec-2025 11:44

Rikkitic:

Can he actually be charged for the murders his father committed? I certainly hope so but does the law allow that?

Murder in Australia is legally broad and includes actions of accomplices

"Murder shall be taken to have been committed where the act of the accused, or thing by him or her omitted to be done, causing the death charged, was done or omitted with reckless indifference to human life, or with intent to kill or inflict grievous bodily harm upon some person, or done in an attempt to commit, or during or immediately after the commission, by the accused, or some accomplice with him or her, of a crime punishable by imprisonment for life or for 25 years."

https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/html/inforce/current/act-1900-040#sec.18

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#3445449 18-Dec-2025 16:29

johno1234:

And still nobody has come up with a practical approach to preventing this sort of thing in the future. I beginning to think there isn't one.

its a social problem.

its not a doing one thing fixes it type problem. but unfortunately people want that, which is part of the problem. people just want "just ban this" and put their heads back in the sand and ignore it. frankly most people just do not care enough to actually want to fix it. people do not want to hear that they are part of the problem.

2nd problem is its cheaper to just "look we are doing something" than to do actual fixing of root causes or prevention.

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#3445452 18-Dec-2025 16:32

loceff13:

You can't do much when it's lone wolf style attacks where they don't tell anyone prior but certainly this one should have set off red flags with the prior isis link and the travel to a high risk country.

i highly doubt its a simple lone wolf. i would bet many people knew about their stance and they either agreed with it or ignored it.

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#3445455 18-Dec-2025 16:53

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Well the remaining shooter has woken and been charged with 15 counts of murder and 1 of comitting a terrorist act.

Let's hope this can get through the courts with the minimum amount of coverage, least amount of harm to the victims families and friends, and without giving this person any more attention than they absolutely must have to let justice do it's thing.

Can he actually be charged for the murders his father committed? I certainly hope so but does the law allow that?

And the attempted murder of the other 1,985-odd people?

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#3445463 18-Dec-2025 17:40

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And still nobody has come up with a practical approach to preventing this sort of thing in the future. I beginning to think there isn't one.

No, as long as there are the vulnerable, there will be people who exploit/harm them.

People keep trying to blame these events on 'religion'. The reality is, if there was no religion, these people would find some other reason for doing it. Evil will be evil.

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#3445465 18-Dec-2025 17:59

Rikkitic:

Can he actually be charged for the murders his father committed? I certainly hope so but does the law allow that?

IANAL but I wouldn't imagine so, and it begs the question, if there were two of them, scumbags defence potentially could try and argue that he didn't kill anyone himself, his dads bullets killed everyone. There may be something to counteract that, but if crimes need to be beyond a reasonable doubt, unless there is footage that shows that guns he fired were a ballistics match....

At least in a sole offender situation this possibility doesn't exist.

Edit: Seems something like Joint Criminal Enterprise, accessory to a crime, conspiracy to commit, would all potentially combat it.

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#3445503 19-Dec-2025 08:40

I think the terrorism charges probably hold the most weight and there's unlikely to be a good or feasible defence for that charge.

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#3446097 20-Dec-2025 20:38

So sad :(

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#3446224 22-Dec-2025 02:00

I have some lived experience with Chabad-Lubavitch who were the group running this event. Not in Sydney. They operate around the world.

Words can't begin to describe how saddened I am by this.

Then on top of this my social media starts blowing up with anti-Islamic comments from the usual opportunists.

Politicians announce they are going to get even tougher on firearms. I don't agree with that. Noone else I know does. I mean do they not realise a variety of society owns these for hunting and target shooting?

Ditto for protests. There were some very objectionable things platformed by a bad element at a protest a couple of years ago in Sydney but I would have thought this could be dealt with under existing law? Having attended a few protests myself and knowing the reality of how rogue operators infiltrate these, this is something which makes me uneasy.

Then other politicians start milking it for propaganda.

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#3446350 22-Dec-2025 12:08

ABC performs an assessment of one of the weapons used in the shooting. It is a semiautomated-loading shotgun with an eight cartridge capacity. Legislators intended to make that illegal to obtain and failed. It turns out they banned pump-action with more than five cartridge capacity.

Firearms importers began selling slightly slower semiautomated-loading lever-action with eight cartridge capacity instead. The shooter had a weapon of the type:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/582391/how-bondi-shooters-gained-access-to-now-banned-guns

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#3446360 22-Dec-2025 12:50

gzt: ABC performs an assessment of one of the weapons used in the shooting. It is a semiautomated-loading shotgun with an eight cartridge capacity. Legislators intended to make that illegal to obtain and failed. It turns out they banned pump-action with more than five cartridge capacity.

Firearms importers began selling slightly slower semiautomated-loading lever-action with eight cartridge capacity instead. The shooter had a weapon of the type:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/582391/how-bondi-shooters-gained-access-to-now-banned-guns

Slightly incorrect (nitpick) if you re-read the article.
In 2015 Importers tried to bring in lever-action eight cartridge capacity - but it was put into category Category D (most restricted)
However the 'straight-pull mechanism' that came along later (2018) slipped through the cracks - and ended up Category A/B - despite being high capacity (more than 5 shells)

The Legislators were obviously trying to ban high capacity fast shooting shotguns. And people found the loophole to get around it.
It's a similar thing semi-auto rifles and bump stocks (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/us/bump-stock-las-vegas-gun.html)

Continual battle of laws vs people who want to get around them...

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