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#2971884 23-Sep-2022 04:40

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Glutten intolerance is a very real thing and a serious issue for some people.

The incidence of true coeliac disease is between 1:1000 and 1:300 (depending on the country, as hereditary factors play a role). But the immune system and environmental factors also influence the disease.

The "gluten hype" does not make the diagnosis any easier, as recommendations are quickly made to avoid gluten. This delays the diagnosis of a possible coeliac disease, as the diagnosis is only possible with a gluten-containing diet.

The probability that both partners have a real coeliac disease at the same time is, in the worst case, (1/300*1/300)*100 = 0.001% (any question?)

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#2971885 23-Sep-2022 04:50

eracode:
However we know two separate couples where the wife in each case loves to tell people she’s glutten intolerant - but they really aren’t. I think it makes them feel a bit different and special - attention-seeking. If you watch them, they eat all sorts of glutteny stuff. Weird.

I know at least one person like that as well, they're gluten-intolerant when they feel like it and so everyone else has to eat dry crumbly gluten-free everything when they do, even when they then don't. The really annoying thing about people like this is that my neighbour, who has coeliac disease and gets extremely ill from even a hint of gluten [*], has to go out of her way in restaurants to make sure she's really getting gluten-free food from places used to dealing with gluten-intolerance-as-a-fashion people who aren't bothered by having gluten in their food.

Some of them must have had a consult with these guys:

[*] There are people who have genuine medical issues with gluten, but they seem to be greatly outnumbered by ones who are gluten-intolerant only when there's no cake around.

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#2971937 23-Sep-2022 08:10

Sure, there are people who really cannot have it, but why such sneering intolerance for those who just think they can't, or use it to get attention? If they do that, maybe they really need the attention. Lighten up. They aren't hurting anyone, not really. If you are so desperate to eat some wheat bread, just do it when they aren't looking.

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#2971939 23-Sep-2022 08:13

neb:
eracode:

However we know two separate couples where the wife in each case loves to tell people she’s glutten intolerant - but they really aren’t. I think it makes them feel a bit different and special - attention-seeking. If you watch them, they eat all sorts of glutteny stuff. Weird.

I know at least one person like that as well, they're gluten-intolerant when they feel like it and so everyone else has to eat dry crumbly gluten-free everything when they do, even when they then don't.

Exactly. One couple are old friends and we used to reciprocally entertain each other for dinners at our respective homes. Then 'M' became 'intolerant' and we felt obliged to serve GF meals. The temptation is to say "It's BS - just eat this" but you can't actually do that. So it became a PITA and we have tapered-off entertaining them.

Some people will say it's not a PITA but it is if you're not used to it and only have to do it occasionally. We have a bag of GF flour in the pantry that we have used only once. And you're right - the dessert we made with that flour was not good. One time M brought the dessert - and that was not good either.

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#2971944 23-Sep-2022 08:19

Gluten is in every food that I like. The alternatives are usually awful. Why on Earth anyone would use that as an excuse if they didn’t need to I’ve no idea.

Imagine not being able to eat nice bread just so you can claim an intolerance you don’t actually have?!

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#2971949 23-Sep-2022 08:26

Geektastic: Gluten is in every food that I like. The alternatives are usually awful. Why on Earth anyone would use that as an excuse if they didn’t need to I’ve no idea.

Imagine not being able to eat nice bread just so you can claim an intolerance you don’t actually have?!

"Look at me - I'm different and a bit special. Make me the centre of attention and feel a bit sorry for me. Make a fuss of me."

In M's case it's just one part of her wider self-centred personality.

My point is: in both cases that I mentioned, they do eat the nice bread and cake etc when it suits them, as @neb says. It's all an act and just makes the topic harder for people who really are glutten intolerant.

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#2971958 23-Sep-2022 08:39

Well to save people's sanity at least for a dessert, if you want a cracking gluten free cake do a flourless chocolate cake. Only 4 ingredients and it's dense and moist AF.

200g sugar
200g butter
200g dark chocolate
4 eggs

My wife was very gluten intolerant for a while, but oddly being pregnant did a soft reset on her body and now she's okay.

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#2971963 23-Sep-2022 08:53

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Well to save people's sanity at least for a dessert, if you want a cracking gluten free cake do a flourless chocolate cake. Only 4 ingredients and it's dense and moist AF.

200g sugar
200g butter
200g dark chocolate
4 eggs
My wife was very gluten intolerant for a while, but oddly being pregnant did a soft reset on her body and now she's okay.

This just sounds like a giant chocolate biscuit.

I can't wait to give it a crack.

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#2971964 23-Sep-2022 08:57

PsychoSmiley:

Well to save people's sanity at least for a dessert, if you want a cracking gluten free cake do a flourless chocolate cake. Only 4 ingredients and it's dense and moist AF.

200g sugar
200g butter
200g dark chocolate
4 eggs
My wife was very gluten intolerant for a while, but oddly being pregnant did a soft reset on her body and now she's okay.

Interesting recipe. Almost seems something might be missing from that list. How do you prepare it - is it baked?

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#2971969 23-Sep-2022 09:03

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I couldn't care less, I am and will remain tolerant as long as they don't proselytise me and don't stand in my way like field posts.

But if you can't keep telling everyone around you at every possible opportunity that you're a vegan doesn't that defeat the whole point of being one? I currently have two WiFi access points in my neighbourhood telling me I should become a vegan. I kid you not.

Get some ESP modules and run the wifi spammer with meat-positive SSIDs in that case ;)

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#2971972 23-Sep-2022 09:12

I recall sitting next to a woman at a restaurant who went to *great* pains to ensure the waiter triple-checked that nothing on the plates she was to be served contained gluten, like I mean, seriously painful conversation about it, and then ordered a beer. The waiter nearly fell over. He was a total professional about it though and just did as she asked. I was super impressed.

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#2971975 23-Sep-2022 09:14

GV27:

This just sounds like a giant chocolate biscuit.

I can't wait to give it a crack.

eracode:

Interesting recipe. Almost seems something might be missing from that list. How do you prepare it - is it baked?

This is the recipe I've used: https://www.cacaoweb.net/flourlesschocolatecake.html

They say to use 45-50% dark chocolate but I get my own personal best from using Lindt 70% dark. The bonus with Lindt is that the blocks come in 100g sizes and are easy to smash up.

It basically fluffs up but because there is no flour it can't hold the shape and collapses down and becomes like a dense brownie. Depending on how hard you beat the whites you can end up with like a hollow chocolate meringue shell (not completely hollow but the inner collapses but the outer holds some of it's shape so there is a small void. These yummy external bits may or may not survive long in my presence).

There are variants including adding almond meal and espresso shots.

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#2972125 23-Sep-2022 13:05

eracode: My point is: in both cases that I mentioned, they do eat the nice bread and cake etc when it suits them, as neb says. It's all an act and just makes the topic harder for people who really are glutten intolerant.

I'm not sure you are correct in this. I have a friend who has a gluten intolerant condition to the extent of requiring extended hospital stays for the condition a couple of times. The particular condition is variable. In her own home she will typically buy and prepare only gluten free products, with occasional exceptions. The amount of gluten in particular foods she can or cannot consume is something she knows quite well after a lifetime with the condition.

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#2972137 23-Sep-2022 13:44

gzt:

I'm not sure you are correct in this. I have a friend who has a gluten intolerant condition to the extent of requiring extended hospital stays for the condition a couple of times. The particular condition is variable. In her own home she will typically buy and prepare only gluten free products, with occasional exceptions. The amount of gluten in particular foods she can or cannot consume is something she knows quite well after a lifetime with the condition.

Without any special knowledge of this, I am inclined to agree. It makes sense to me that there is a threshold and maybe other factors that affect the degree of sensitivity at any given time. It may well be quite possible to tolerate limited amounts of gluten and some sufferers may be keenly aware of that, so allow themselves the occasional tasty treat they really enjoy. As I posted before, I think the rush to judgement is both unnecessary and unkind. Why be so quick to assume the worst? And even if someone is putting it on, so what? We all have our failings.

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#2972141 23-Sep-2022 13:54

The rise of diet fads that exclude certain things (most notably dairy and gluten) has made eating out a vastly better experience for those who have real problems with various food allergies, so on balance I think it's actually really good.

My son has a dairy and egg allergy, which are both very variable based largely on how cooked the ingredient is. However we can feel very safe that when we go out almost all cafes will have vegan items available for order.

I myself have a disorder that, when having a flare up, means I tend to avoid some foods which make it worse. When I'm not in flare, I can eat them just fine.

So yeah, basically just leave people alone?

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