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  #3034879 11-Feb-2023 09:32
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Now the names are hidden, you can click on them and it still brings up the properties that are owned by the hidden names.



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  #3034881 11-Feb-2023 09:38
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You're right, and it still shows that the owner of my home owns more properties than we actually do (we still only own the one house, and have no financial interest in any other property). The site is STILL a fail!




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  #3034922 11-Feb-2023 11:11
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Well apparently my address is owned by 6 redacted names - I wouldn't put much stock in this site or it's method of displaying data




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  #3035481 12-Feb-2023 17:22
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Well it didn't last long.

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  #3035490 12-Feb-2023 17:44
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HelloThere: Well it didn't last long.

 

 

 

Its still there, just the names have been redacted.

 

It will still be used by alt-whatever idiots to target multiple property owners.

 

They will just troll though addresses until they see someone with multiple properties then use council or other records to target them.

 

Given I have see these nut jobs make various threats against landlords etc, someone will eventually get hurt.


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  #3035491 12-Feb-2023 17:47
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Their blog states they're investing the outages.

 
 
 
 

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  #3035612 12-Feb-2023 19:46
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I thought quite interesting .. seems pretty accurate to me, can double up for corner properties with 2 addresses


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  #3035626 12-Feb-2023 20:17
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rscole86: Their blog states they're investing the outages.

 

How much are they spending? 😄

 

Seriously though, I know my landlord owns a few properties. Tried my address and it just sits on searching but doesn't load.

 

Tried another address I lived at where I know the owner only owned my property, not the neighbours (they own theirs) and apparently he somehow owns both now. Their disclaimer is "may not be accurate" - very true! A waste of time really.


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  #3035657 12-Feb-2023 22:03
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quickymart:

 

rscole86: Their blog states they're investing the outages.

 

How much are they spending? 😄

 

Seriously though, I know my landlord owns a few properties. Tried my address and it just sits on searching but doesn't load.

 

Tried another address I lived at where I know the owner only owned my property, not the neighbours (they own theirs) and apparently he somehow owns both now. Their disclaimer is "may not be accurate" - very true! A waste of time really.

 

 

Since when did conspiracy nuts and other alt-whatevers ever care about accuracy ?

 

If they think they are somehow heroes, then stick their real identities to it, don't hide. 


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  #3035948 13-Feb-2023 13:16
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They have now changed their Cloudflare settings to block access from outside New Zealand as well.


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  #3036203 13-Feb-2023 22:40
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My 2 cents is that the developers are not genuine about their desires about transparency and privacy. If they were, they wouldn't feel compelled to hide their Whois information and they'd have their contact information available. 

 

There is a significant difference between applying assumptions to non-personal-identifiable aggregated vs identifiable data - I'd argue that there should be a duty of care towards accuracy and consent. I also think that they need to 'own' any flaws and not hand wave their methodology of attributing properties to people.

 

Whilst this is off topic, this site does trigger an interesting discussion on whether New Zealands privacy laws are strict enough. Whilst this site does consume and compile public information, I doubt that this utilisation was what the policy holders at the time had in mind. I think we need to have a bipartisan effort to shore up the privacy rights and define obligations for those who disseminate information into the public domain.

 

In extreme, in the US, sites similar 'public information' have been used to effectively compile 'target lists' of people or buildings to go after (eg. Abortion clinics, Pro-life centres, Judges etc) - which has resulted in property damage and significant personal safety issues. There is the possibility of this happening happening here or with other causes.

 

 





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  #3036260 14-Feb-2023 09:01
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Site appears up again but searching is sometimes / sometimes not successful.




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  #3036266 14-Feb-2023 09:15
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cokemaster:

Whilst this is off topic, this site does trigger an interesting discussion on whether New Zealands privacy laws are strict enough. Whilst this site does consume and compile public information, I doubt that this utilisation was what the policy holders at the time had in mind. I think we need to have a bipartisan effort to shore up the privacy rights and define obligations for those who disseminate information into the public domain.


In extreme, in the US, sites similar 'public information' have been used to effectively compile 'target lists' of people or buildings to go after (eg. Abortion clinics, Pro-life centres, Judges etc) - which has resulted in property damage and significant personal safety issues. There is the possibility of this happening happening here or with other causes.


 



We should have more transparency of who owns what. Not more privacy.

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  #3036267 14-Feb-2023 09:17
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Eitsop:

We should have more transparency of who owns what. Not more privacy.

 

Why do you have a right to know who owns the house I live in?


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  #3036312 14-Feb-2023 11:36
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Eitsop:

We should have more transparency of who owns what. Not more privacy.

 

 

 

Again, by someone who does not share who they actually are.


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