Why are people not held accountable for their own actions these days ?

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#762358 14-Feb-2013 14:43

Or... Build a man a fire he will be warm for a day. SET him on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!

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#762359 14-Feb-2013 14:45

networkn: Or... Build a man a fire he will be warm for a day. SET him on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!

LOL - I've not heard that one before

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#762360 14-Feb-2013 14:46

nathan: But that's not manufactured from inedible corn, that American farmers only grow because of their government subsidies

The average American eats 17KG of HFCS a year

And they wonder why they're fat and sick

Absolutely, but cane sugar (which not as bad as HFCS), still isn't great for you.

This lady, for example was drinking 10L of coke per day, which is about 1KG of sugar. Roughly half of that is fructose, so she is probably consuming in excess of 150KG per year of fructose.

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#762369 14-Feb-2013 14:53

One thing that did occur to me regarding the topic of the thread and the example given, in both examples, the person has been ultimately accountable. They are dead. That is as accountable as you can get.

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#762371 14-Feb-2013 15:00

richms:
crackrdbycracku:
Buy a house that was consented, inspected and approved by a council; the house then gets built buy a 'professional builder'; then you get told it is leaky, uninhabitable and will need to be repaired, often by the council which originally approved it. It is entirely your responsibility as the home owner.

What do you all think?

Perfect, great idea.

So you're asserting that if a home buyer purchases a home, and it turns out to be a leaky home, its alway their responsibility? Even if they had checked with all the relevant authorities and industry "experts" and had been told that there were no weathertightness issues?

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#762402 14-Feb-2013 15:46

Klipspringer:
NZtechfreak:
Klipspringer: Just because coke has caffeine now makes it require a warning label???

No, excessive coke consumption is harmful to health, and that is why it should carry a warning label. Just like cigarettes and alcohol.

Excessive anything is harmful to health.

What makes coke different?

I’m pretty sure there is already something on the coke label about Caffeine. Anybody know what it says?

This argument displays faulty logic, ditto the water one.

The reason this is not a valid against labelling coke is that if you carry that logic forward then either EVERYTHING or NOTHING should carry warnings. Clearly that is a nonsense, and everyone can accept that at least some harmful things need labels.

It is a matter of degrees - I humbly submit to you regularly consuming even relatively low quantities of coke is tangibly harmful to health. The same cannot be said of water, which makes that argument frivolous. Given the looming obesity crisis simple regulatory steps, like labelling foods such as coke, should be taken. It is the same logic behind labelling cigarettes and the increasing incursions on the freedoms of smokers - none of them on their own have that dramatic an effect but they each incrementally raise the tension against smoking for smokers. As you tighten the thumb screws a little more and a little more, you gradually catch an increasing number of people at the growing fringe of people who are nearly ready to quit. Sure everyone knows that drinking coke isn't good for you, but that isn't quite the same as seeing a visible reminder of that every time you go to purchase or drink coke, is it? People still have the freedom to choose to do it, only they are made to be that tiny bit more mindful each time they do.

Perhaps objectors could give supply me with so much as one cost to society for printing these warnings, some way in which it would harm us all? I don't think I can think of one, so on balance it is a zero cost initiative that may do some good (catching those people 'at the fringes', people trying to lose weight, be conscious of their diet etc, who may just see a visible warning about coke and decide 'not this time'). Surely as a society we should be doing things that may be good for us and cost us nothing?

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#762405 14-Feb-2013 15:52

NZtechfreak:
Perhaps objectors could give supply me with so much as one cost to society for printing these warnings, some way in which it would harm us all? I don't think I can think of one, so on balance it is a zero cost initiative that may do some good (catching those people 'at the fringes', people trying to lose weight, be conscious of their diet etc, who may just see a visible warning about coke and decide 'not this time'). Surely as a society we should be doing things that may be good for us and cost us nothing?

Well, it doesn't really cost "society" to print warnings on Coke or cigarettes, but it certainly does cost society when we need to put up signs and fences around fast rivers, hot mud pools, volcanoes or what-not.

* It costs money to manufacture and install them - this comes out of your taxes
* It costs money to upkeep them because someone's always trying to break them - this comes out of your taxes
* It costs money because OMG THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR MY STUPIDITY AND I WANT THEM TO PAY ME A MILLION DOLLARS IN COMPENSATION - this comes out of your taxes
* It makes something that should be natural and beautiful into an eye-sore surrounded by wire fences and warning signs

I do not see why *I* should need to pay for other people's stupidity.

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#762406 14-Feb-2013 15:54

SaltyNZ:
NZtechfreak:
Perhaps objectors could give supply me with so much as one cost to society for printing these warnings, some way in which it would harm us all? I don't think I can think of one, so on balance it is a zero cost initiative that may do some good (catching those people 'at the fringes', people trying to lose weight, be conscious of their diet etc, who may just see a visible warning about coke and decide 'not this time'). Surely as a society we should be doing things that may be good for us and cost us nothing?

Well, it doesn't really cost "society" to print warnings on Coke or cigarettes, but it certainly does cost society when we need to put up signs and fences around fast rivers, hot mud pools, volcanoes or what-not.

* It costs money to manufacture and install them - this comes out of your taxes
* It costs money to upkeep them because someone's always trying to break them - this comes out of your taxes
* It costs money because OMG THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR MY STUPIDITY AND I WANT THEM TO PAY ME A MILLION DOLLARS IN COMPENSATION - this comes out of your taxes
* It makes something that should be natural and beautiful into an eye-sore surrounded by wire fences and warning signs

I do not see why *I* should need to pay for other people's stupidity.

Yet other people pay for things for you now

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#762409 14-Feb-2013 15:57

KiwiNZ:

Yet other people pay for things for you now

Such as?

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#762410 14-Feb-2013 15:57

I'm amazed that this article has had so much debate.

As sad as what it is, and as others have said, warning signs on the coke bottle would not have helped her! She still smoked 30 cigarettes per day.

Quite frankly this women could be a contender for the darwin awards. I'm actually left wondering if her 8 kids are not actually better off without her?

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#762417 14-Feb-2013 16:01

Klipspringer: I'm amazed that this article has had so much debate.

As sad as what it is, and as others have said, warning signs on the coke bottle would not have helped her! She still smoked 30 cigarettes per day.

Quite frankly this women could be a contender for the darwin awards. I'm actually left wondering if her 8 kids are not actually better off without her?

I was going to surmise it was a shame she had had a chance to breed! Clearly the woman had no impulse control. 10L of Coke, 30 Cigarettes and 8 kids.. Shows a pattern.

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#762419 14-Feb-2013 16:02

SaltyNZ:
KiwiNZ:

Yet other people pay for things for you now

Such as?

Roading, Health, Defence, Policing,Education.......... to name a few

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#762422 14-Feb-2013 16:04

KiwiNZ:
SaltyNZ:
KiwiNZ:

Yet other people pay for things for you now

Such as?

Roading, Health, Defence, Policing,Education.......... to name a few

Infrastructure in general. Don't forget that you are using some of those things indirectly. Everything you consume will have an impact on those resources mentioned above.

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#762426 14-Feb-2013 16:06

networkn:
Klipspringer: I'm amazed that this article has had so much debate.

As sad as what it is, and as others have said, warning signs on the coke bottle would not have helped her! She still smoked 30 cigarettes per day.

Quite frankly this women could be a contender for the darwin awards. I'm actually left wondering if her 8 kids are not actually better off without her?

I was going to surmise it was a shame she had had a chance to breed! Clearly the woman had no impulse control. 10L of Coke, 30 Cigarettes and 8 kids.. Shows a pattern.

How she managed to breed between all that toilet time (10L per day in her system) and smoking is even more amazing.

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#762427 14-Feb-2013 16:07

networkn:
KiwiNZ:
SaltyNZ:
KiwiNZ:

Yet other people pay for things for you now

Such as?

Roading, Health, Defence, Policing,Education.......... to name a few

Infrastructure in general. Don't forget that you are using some of those things indirectly. Everything you consume will have an impact on those resources mentioned above.

But as a tax payer SaltyNZ is likely paying his fair share of these things - they're collectively owned and paid for. They are there for everyones benefit.

It's not like SaltyNZ is using an entire school just for him, or has the entire police force at his beck-and-call.

The signs and fences are there for the benefit of those who can't think for themselves.

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