Anyone else see the Meghan Harry Oprah Interview? -Spoiler alert!

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#2671539 11-Mar-2021 10:29

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If you met President Biden, would you assimilate to american tradition "Mr President", or would you be "Hey Joe, hows it going". Whether or not HRH was "her" queen is irrelevant, she is the queen of england and as such, afforded certain levels of respect and protocol.

For the record, I am no royalist, nor do I think they are particularly relevant to our day to day life in NZ and watch on all this hooplah with popcorn in hand enjoying the sheer entertainment value of it.

I can with great reluctance see your point about using a title. I don't agree with it. As for curtsy and bowing that is pure perpetuation of the false belief in inherent superiority and is disgusting.

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#2671547 11-Mar-2021 10:49

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I can't believe how much heat this is generating. Are there really no bigger problems in the world requiring the exalted input of our armchair experts?

Hype is created by media and controlled by media. In this case they have chosen to blow it up knowing it will bring ratings and money.

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#2671549 11-Mar-2021 10:56

Batman:
Rikkitic:

I can't believe how much heat this is generating. Are there really no bigger problems in the world requiring the exalted input of our armchair experts?

Hype is created by media and controlled by media. In this case they have chosen to blow it up knowing it will bring ratings and money.

That is a diversion in order to avoid an inconvenient truth. The conservative right has seized on this as a threat to their establishment and that a woman of colour has entered their domain and has not remembered her and dares to speak out. The conservative right are threatened and will now try to crush her.

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#2671592 11-Mar-2021 10:58

Batman:
Rikkitic:

I can't believe how much heat this is generating. Are there really no bigger problems in the world requiring the exalted input of our armchair experts?

Hype is created by media and controlled by media. In this case they have chosen to blow it up knowing it will bring ratings and money.

Interestingly, the royal establishment supports the media, gives them access, even entertains them, the payoff is be nice, or in this case, punish the boat rockers

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#2671601 11-Mar-2021 11:13

The curtsy in private might be silly and antiquated, but that's the protocol. Hardly an inconvenience or worth even mentioning.

I understand all the comments saying that they wanted to serve, but on their own terms. I liked the idea so much I tried it at work, unfortunately it didn't go down well with my boss. Apparently I can't just choose to only do the parts of my job I want to.

Being a royal is a job Harry was born into, but he still has every right to leave that job if he doesn't like it - which he has essentially done. But when you choose to leave a job, you lose all benefits of that job.

If the reports of a US$100 million Netflix deal and US$25 million Spotify deal are accurate, why should the Monarchy or the UK tax payer keep funding their security? I think they'll be able to scrape by on their own.

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#2671609 11-Mar-2021 11:32

Paul1977:

The curtsy in private might be silly and antiquated, but that's the protocol. Hardly an inconvenience or worth even mentioning.

I understand all the comments saying that they wanted to serve, but on their own terms. I liked the idea so much I tried it at work, unfortunately it didn't go down well with my boss. Apparently I can't just choose to only do the parts of my job I want to.

Being a royal is a job Harry was born into, but he still has every right to leave that job if he doesn't like it - which he has essentially done. But when you choose to leave a job, you lose all benefits of that job.

If the reports of a US$100 million Netflix deal and US$25 million Spotify deal are accurate, why should the Monarchy or the UK tax payer keep funding their security? I think they'll be able to scrape by on their own.

I don't think that's an issue. They leave and don't expect the income. Many seem to feel they want to leave and get paid as well, they don't

The issue is security. Harry and the kids had no choice to be born into a life where 24/7 security is a given. IIRC they are still entitles to that, but that protocol has/is being changed.

He didnt leave then get these deals. He left, was cut off, calls to his Dad not taken, frosty relationship with William, then deals were offered. In short he has broken the family tradition and they are p!ssed. I guess the safety of him and the kids is no issue, outweighed by the gravity of breaking tradition. Its like being in the Mafia where you really cannot break away

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#2671611 11-Mar-2021 11:35

Paul1977:

The curtsy in private might be silly and antiquated, but that's the protocol. Hardly an inconvenience or worth even mentioning.

I understand all the comments saying that they wanted to serve, but on their own terms. I liked the idea so much I tried it at work, unfortunately it didn't go down well with my boss. Apparently I can't just choose to only do the parts of my job I want to.

Being a royal is a job Harry was born into, but he still has every right to leave that job if he doesn't like it - which he has essentially done. But when you choose to leave a job, you lose all benefits of that job.

If the reports of a US$100 million Netflix deal and US$25 million Spotify deal are accurate, why should the Monarchy or the UK tax payer keep funding their security? I think they'll be able to scrape by on their own.

While the British hang onto the Monarchy and the Prince remains high on the succession (6th) then he should be given diplomatic protection.

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#2671622 11-Mar-2021 12:06

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#2671624 11-Mar-2021 12:12

The mental health issues raised by Meghan for me are very important. That she has been brave enough to voice them I know all too well how she felt and the thoughts she was having. To raise these takes a lot of courage as the second biggest prejudice to racism is mental health and the stigma society continues to impose. To say in public that she had self harm thoughts shows that she has great character. I wonder how many people she has helped and saved by her honesty. I wish I had her courage and to be able to voice the place where I am.

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#2671684 11-Mar-2021 14:31

Eva888: I read Dr Seuss books to my kids when they were little. Now many of those books are being banned as racist so I guess finding that ridiculous makes me racist in the eyes of many, yet I have chosen a Hindu person to rent a flat to...hmm I didn’t choose a Chinese or a European person, maybe I’m racist?

The (few) books are not being banned. The estate decided to withdrawal these books from publication. You can still find them in libraries or in bookstores.

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#2671693 11-Mar-2021 14:51

Eva888:

There are wealthy and royal families in the world that come in many skin shades. Everyone has their own interpretation of what racism means to them. What one person views as racist another may view as perfectly innocent.

I read Dr Seuss books to my kids when they were little. Now many of those books are being banned as racist so I guess finding that ridiculous makes me racist in the eyes of many, yet I have chosen a Hindu person to rent a flat to...hmm I didn’t choose a Chinese or a European person, maybe I’m racist?

Too much analysis and wokeness only brings more divisiveness if people don’t have the intellect or the moral compass to simply do what’s genuine and kind and to be discreet. So getting back to the interview I think it failed the genuine and kindness test, let alone discreet.

That you have made the statement that I have highlighted gives you cause for much self reflection and ask yourself am I racist?

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#2671747 11-Mar-2021 16:21

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William has the same background, he is clearly happy to fulfill his part in the establishment, along with Kate, and good on them. Harry doesnt.

Well that's the difference between being 2nd in line, worst case 40-odd years and more likely 20, and 6th and no realistic chance of becoming monarch.

At some point, you have to say, like Anne's children and Margaret's children and grandchildren, that you're not part of the Firm. Good on Harry for deciding to get out of the whole charade.

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#2671755 11-Mar-2021 16:29

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And had they embraced her, they could have had two modern, younger couples at the forefront of Royalty doing the good work, and being representative of 2021 diversity

Doing good work? What good work do they do? Opening the Olympics and glad-handing the peasantry and lending their name (but none of their actual money) to charities?

Representative? The whole point of the monarchy is that they're NOT representative. They're not elected or chosen by the people, and have nothing in common with 99% of them... they're "chosen by God" to rule based on their parentage. Except that they don't even do that.

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#2671783 11-Mar-2021 16:41

Rikkitic:

I can't believe how much heat this is generating. Are there really no bigger problems in the world requiring the exalted input of our armchair experts?

Bread and circuses

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#2671793 11-Mar-2021 16:48

tdgeek:

I don't think that's an issue. They leave and don't expect the income. Many seem to feel they want to leave and get paid as well, they don't

The issue is security. Harry and the kids had no choice to be born into a life where 24/7 security is a given.

My understanding (have I got this wrong maybe?) was that the security they wanted for Archie was the long-term security of being a Prince and the associated annual stipend to pay for the lifestyle to which they feel entitled.

It is only the self-hype "Oh, woe is me... I'm so self-important that I need security" that makes them a target. There are plenty of royalty around the world who don't have *any* security. The King of Sweden was well-known for going around Stockholm on trams and buses, for example. The reality is that Harry & Meg & Archie are no more important to the world than anyone else.

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