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sir1963
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  #3036676 14-Feb-2023 20:25
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Eitsop:

 

yeah, I don't condone any misuse of information to hurt people.

 

But I am a fan of more transparency

 

  • how much public services spend, I worked at a SOE that spent 50k doing up work toilets, that was lucky to cost $10k
  • peoples salaries , I think we get better outcomes if people know what others earn to ask for pay equity, I have no issues people knowing I am on $273k
  • so called charities, that are sometimes a tax haven to the unscrupulous 

I would love to know how much doctors and health staff earn? and the hours worked. and compare that nationally to see if there are  anomalies...

 

I think doctors should earn very good money, I just want to see we are getting value for money.

 

I think the more info out there can help the public opt for better laws

 

 

 

 

You obviously think you are worth 273k, there are a LOT of people who will claim you aren't and that you are ripping the system off and just being greedy.

 

Are you really sure you want those kinds of people knowing who you are, where you live, who the members of your family are ?

 

You only need to look at the nut case who went armed into a Pizza place in New York to free children from pedophile vampires hiding in the basement.

 

It will invite misogynists to make all sorts of false claims against successful women (ie the slept their way to the top), fake porn movies will be created etc etc because these "men" feel slighted by any woman doing better than them.

 

Shall we look at the school girls in Wellington who were being abused by the protesters as they had to walk past them to get to school.

 

Your ideology relies on people being sane, and that is clearly NOT the case.

 

 

 

As for "better laws", who gets to decide that ? An angry mob ?




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  #3036678 14-Feb-2023 20:32
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sir1963:Your ideology relies on people being sane, and that is clearly NOT the case.

 

Yeah, you probably have a point..

 

Guess I just like data to give the answers.. and we don't have enough data available..

 

think I will sign off this thread.. 


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  #3036679 14-Feb-2023 20:32
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But if a tenant of a bad landlord, got into contact with other tenants of other properties.. to band together.. good on them.. get rid of the bad landlords.
 

 

The problem is that we already have legislation, agencies and judicial bodies who specializes in dealing with the workings of tenancies and landlords. Tenancies are complicated for landlords too, which is why there is a whole industry on managing the rental process.

 

If landlords are not following the law, not keeping up with their responsibilities there are ways to deal with it today. It doesn't justify extrajudicial / taking the law into your own hands to "get rid of the bad landlords".





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  #3036682 14-Feb-2023 20:38
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Eitsop:

 

here 

 

sir1963: Again, by someone who does not share who they actually are.

 

 

That was playing the ball.

 

Think about it.


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  #3036683 14-Feb-2023 20:38
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Eitsop:

 

Guess I just like data to give the answers.. and we don't have enough data available..

 

 

But therein lies the rub - data without context is either worthless or actively obstructive. This website provides no context, and I would argue doesn't provide data.

 

If you want more detail on the distribution of investment properties, does this website help you? Objectively it does not. Useful data would be quantifiable - things like suburb level concentration of investment properties, statistical distributions of number of properties owned by entities (with outliers such as Housing New Zealand Limited and Ministers acting in their capacity as representatives of Ministries and Departments excluded), heatmaps, tables, charts. Punching in an address to get which other properties might or might not be owned by an entity is useless. The website authors are just trying to drum up hostility, as is made evident by the language they use.


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  #3036684 14-Feb-2023 20:39
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sir1963:

 

If I am not allowed more than 1 property here in NZ, I am just as happy to invest in Australia.

 

The boy who cried wolf....


 
 
 

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  #3036686 14-Feb-2023 20:42
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sir1963:

 

If I am not allowed more than 1 property here in NZ, I am just as happy to invest in Australia.

 

 

I very much doubt that. From other commentary by yourself I suspect that you would be very much unhappy to invest in Australia given the controls that the residential tenancy laws in next to all states and territories impose upon residential property owners.


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  #3036687 14-Feb-2023 20:45
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@Eitsop, I think using data for decision making is a great thing. There are loads of insights and cost savings that can be realized by using data.
But I think that there is a 'ethical responsibility' on how we source, how we digest and how we share information. 

 

It is one thing to use analytics to highlight ownership statistics or income gaps. Its another to weaponise it so that the 'mob' can exact some justice. 

 

A good example could be the declared political donations. Transparency on donations is critical for a functioning democracy... however using the same information, we could create a 'educate-a-donor' site where we use google maps and the political donation information to show donors by political parties so that 'concerned citizens can educate donors on their violent and harmful ways'.

 

 





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  #3036693 14-Feb-2023 20:58
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Anyone who is defending this website, can you please lead by example and publish your full name & address? Thanks


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  #3036730 15-Feb-2023 08:42
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Eitsop:

 

sir1963:Your ideology relies on people being sane, and that is clearly NOT the case.

 

Yeah, you probably have a point..

 

Guess I just like data to give the answers.. and we don't have enough data available..

 

think I will sign off this thread.. 

 

 

 

 

Data is only any good when it is factual.

 

Unfortunately we live in a world of "Fake News" and out right lies in response to the truth.

 

Once people become emotionally invested in a lie, it is extremely difficult to change their minds.

 

Something like 90% of the abuse/threats/etc towards our MPs went to Jacinda Adern.

 

I have lost friends as they have gone down rabbit holes.


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  #3036738 15-Feb-2023 08:56
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A few years ago I might not have been too worried about this sort of thing, but we live in a much more hostile world now. Even just yesterday I had to file a police report for a minor assault that occurred to me as I was walking to work - what if that guy decided that he wanted to track me down?

 

Honestly, a lot of people are quite naive when it comes to their personal privacy. 


 
 
 

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  #3036744 15-Feb-2023 09:10
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Handle9:

 

sir1963:

 

If I am not allowed more than 1 property here in NZ, I am just as happy to invest in Australia.

 

The boy who cried wolf....

 

 

If it had not been for Covid I would have already bought a place in Surfers.

 

I have friends and family who are now Australian citizens.


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  #3036746 15-Feb-2023 09:16
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Kyanar:

 

sir1963:

 

If I am not allowed more than 1 property here in NZ, I am just as happy to invest in Australia.

 

 

I very much doubt that. From other commentary by yourself I suspect that you would be very much unhappy to invest in Australia given the controls that the residential tenancy laws in next to all states and territories impose upon residential property owners.

 

 

Such as being able to use depreciation ?

 

Such as interest being tax deductible ?

 

And I believe that if I set up an Australian company the property would still be australian owned as such so you can avoid some of the additional taxes.

 

Also if I go over a week before the wife and stay 6 months and she stays a week longer than me, we can be eligible for the tax for locals as well as still qualify for NZ benefits.

 

We get to winter over somewhere warm.

 

The 8 weeks over Xmas and New Year will more than pay the 20k a year body corp fees.


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  #3036809 15-Feb-2023 09:52
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Kyanar:

 

But therein lies the rub - data without context is either worthless or actively obstructive. This website provides no context, and I would argue doesn't provide data.

 

If you want more detail on the distribution of investment properties, does this website help you? Objectively it does not. Useful data would be quantifiable - things like suburb level concentration of investment properties, statistical distributions of number of properties owned by entities (with outliers such as Housing New Zealand Limited and Ministers acting in their capacity as representatives of Ministries and Departments excluded), heatmaps, tables, charts. Punching in an address to get which other properties might or might not be owned by an entity is useless. The website authors are just trying to drum up hostility, as is made evident by the language they use.

 

 

The data provided by the original website isn't new, The media covered it in 2021

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/housing-affordability/300415265/mega-landlords-over-22100-homes-owned-by-small-group-of-very-large-investors

 

"The analysis, which cross-referenced names on roughly 1.7 million publicly available property titles, shows investors with up to two properties only own just over a third of investment properties.Investors with three to five properties own over 41,000 more homes than those with one or two."

 

 


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  #3036866 15-Feb-2023 10:15
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Maybe someone should create a website for bad tenants........


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