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#2812990 15-Nov-2021 08:28

Vendor requirement: Publish data at least 14 days in advance

Internal department responsible for this: That's fine

(Fast-forward a year or so, when we have some significantly changed data coming along)

Me, six weeks before go-live: Make sure this is published at least two weeks in advance

Me, a month before go-live: Do we have that new data yet?

Me, 14 days before go-live: New data?

Me, last thing Friday: Data?

Sunday afternoon, nine hours before go-live: Data published

Internal department, today: Why is nothing working?

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#2813853 16-Nov-2021 13:29

Aramex hold music.
On one line it is just their Covid-delays message repeated over and over again. No actual music.

Another has hold music but with their sales pitches repeated over the top, over and over.

In both cases there are no gaps in the messaging.

Re-booked with NZ Post.

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#2815709 19-Nov-2021 13:27

I wish MoH would put the daily stats on its own website at the same time as it gives them to reporters. Today Stuff is reporting five more cases in my area than RNZ is. Which is correct? Don't know yet, because the ministry seems to sit on the statement for 10-15 minutes before publishing it.

Edit: Stuff was correct (gasp). RNZ has updated its article.

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#2818020 23-Nov-2021 18:14

Something not so small that really annoys me: There's an internationally-standardised, internationally-accepted Covid pass, the EUDCC, which is recognised and valid for travel in an ever-growing list of countries around the world.

What NZ has adopted instead as its Covid pass is some gonzo format the MoH dreamed up which is compatible with absolutely nothing on earth and recognised nowhere outside NZ. So international travellers coming to NZ can't be checked by a NZ Covid pass checker, and NZers travelling overseas have a Covid pass that nothing else on earth recognises.

The MoH have some thin excuses about the EUDCC not meeting their requirements, none of which hold water since (a) it works for every other country in Europe and many other places and (b) the format is flexible enough that you can do almost anything with it without having to invent your own gonzo format.

AAARGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

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#2818021 23-Nov-2021 18:17

neb: Something not so small that really annoys me: There's an internationally-standardised, internationally-accepted Covid pass, the EUDCC, which is recognised and valid for travel in an ever-growing list of countries around the world.

What NZ has adopted instead as its Covid pass is some gonzo format the MoH dreamed up which is compatible with absolutely nothing on earth and recognised nowhere outside NZ. So international travellers coming to NZ can't be checked by a NZ Covid pass checker, and NZers travelling overseas have a Covid pass that nothing else on earth recognises.

The MoH have some thin excuses about the EUDCC not meeting their requirements, none of which hold water since (a) it works for every other country in Europe and many other places and (b) the format is flexible enough that you can do almost anything with it without having to invent your own gonzo format.

AAARGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

There is no international standard for Covid passes. There is a European format but it’s not useful anywhere else in the world, and vice versa.

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#2818025 23-Nov-2021 18:24

Handle9: There is no international standard for Covid passes. There is a European format but it’s not useful anywhere else in the world, and vice versa.

As I mentioned, it's accepted in an ever-growing list of countries, including (in theory) NZ if you get the non-gonzo format one. Given the need for interoperability, I expect we'll end up with the EUDCC as the de facto international version, the US will want to do its own version, possibly China will do their own one... oh, and NZ gets its own gonzo version too.

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#2818028 23-Nov-2021 18:29

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Handle9: There is no international standard for Covid passes. There is a European format but it’s not useful anywhere else in the world, and vice versa.
As I mentioned, it's accepted in an ever-growing list of countries, including (in theory) NZ if you get the non-gonzo format one. Given the need for interoperability, I expect we'll end up with the EUDCC as the de facto international version, the US will want to do its own version, possibly China will do their own one... oh, and NZ gets its own gonzo version too.

There's not a standard and likely never will be. Most countries have very different standards, accept different vaccines and require different information to be shown.

The Australian passport is not compatible with the EU one. If you wanted to adopt a standard the most useful for NZ would have been Australia but even that is likely to change many times. NZ has made EU compatible certificates available from day one. Having both available is far more useful.

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#2818471 24-Nov-2021 13:52

My district has lost its "zero cases, ever" run :(

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neb: Something not so small that really annoys me: There's an internationally-standardised, internationally-accepted Covid pass, the EUDCC, which is recognised and valid for travel in an ever-growing list of countries around the world. What NZ has adopted instead as its Covid pass is some gonzo format the MoH dreamed up which is compatible with absolutely nothing on earth and recognised nowhere outside NZ. So international travellers coming to NZ can't be checked by a NZ Covid pass checker, and NZers travelling overseas have a Covid pass that nothing else on earth recognises. The MoH have some thin excuses about the EUDCC not meeting their requirements, none of which hold water since (a) it works for every other country in Europe and many other places and (b) the format is flexible enough that you can do almost anything with it without having to invent your own gonzo format. AAARGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

As a result we have two covid passes a domestic one and an international one for overseas travel which apparently conforms to the IATA standard.

Like you I cannot figure out why our covid checking app cannot do the international IATA one as well. After all that's what tourists will have. How will they be scanning their passes?

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Technofreak:
neb: Something not so small that really annoys me: There's an internationally-standardised, internationally-accepted Covid pass, the EUDCC, which is recognised and valid for travel in an ever-growing list of countries around the world. What NZ has adopted instead as its Covid pass is some gonzo format the MoH dreamed up which is compatible with absolutely nothing on earth and recognised nowhere outside NZ. So international travellers coming to NZ can't be checked by a NZ Covid pass checker, and NZers travelling overseas have a Covid pass that nothing else on earth recognises. The MoH have some thin excuses about the EUDCC not meeting their requirements, none of which hold water since (a) it works for every other country in Europe and many other places and (b) the format is flexible enough that you can do almost anything with it without having to invent your own gonzo format. AAARGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

As a result we have two covid passes a domestic one and an international one for overseas travel which apparently conforms to the IATA standard.

Like you I cannot figure out why our covid checking app cannot do the international IATA one as well. After all that's what tourists will have. How will they be scanning their passes?

There is no “IATA standard.”

The international Covid pass confirms to the EU standard.

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#2818692 24-Nov-2021 18:09

Technofreak:
Like you I cannot figure out why our covid checking app cannot do the international IATA one as well. After all that's what tourists will have. How will they be scanning their passes?

As it currently stands, they won't.

There's a lot of backstory behind this, unfortunately not public, and it's political not technical... maybe when the ordure enters the airconditioning after tourists start coming back to NZ and find their passes can't be scanned we'll hear more about it.

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#2818693 24-Nov-2021 18:10

Handle9:
There is no “IATA standard.”

The international Covid pass confirms to the EU standard.

OK since you want to nit pick, the standard used by the IATA pass.

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#2818694 24-Nov-2021 18:14

Technofreak:
Handle9:
There is no “IATA standard.”

The international Covid pass confirms to the EU standard.

OK since you want to nit pick, the standard used by the IATA pass.

The IATA pass isn’t used anywhere in the world for anything other than proving you meet the requirements for border crossings.

It’s not a substitute for domestic vaccine passports, they are a different tool for a different job.

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#2818695 24-Nov-2021 18:14

neb:
Technofreak:

Like you I cannot figure out why our covid checking app cannot do the international IATA one as well. After all that's what tourists will have. How will they be scanning their passes?

As it currently stands, they won't. There's a lot of backstory behind this, unfortunately not public, and it's political not technical... maybe when the ordure enters the airconditioning after tourists start coming back to NZ and find their passes can't be scanned we'll hear more about it.

That should give them time to get their spin story correct in order to shift the blame. Perhaps someone needs to "accidentally" leave the details in a bus stop frequented by journalists.

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#2818697 24-Nov-2021 18:18

Technofreak:
That should give them time to get their spin story correct in order to shift the blame. Perhaps someone needs to "accidentally" leave the details in a bus stop frequented by journalists.

It's not that, there's just a lot of government departments and groups involved, mostly pulling in different directions, and the result is sort of what you'd expect in this situation.

The good news is they got input from lots of stakeholders.

The bad news is they got input from lots of stakeholders.

Sometimes a BDFL is better than having consensus.

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