DOC and Iwi disappointed by the tramp tramp

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Topic # 113481 18-Jan-2013 11:15

OK. So am I the only one that thinks things are going crazy in this country?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8194531/Trampoline-trip-raises-eyebrows

Here are a bunch of people enjoying the outdoors and having a great time with an activity which has no impact on the environment and they are in trouble for it....

Now it appears that jumping up and down is offending people.

Oh dear.

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Reply # 746741 18-Jan-2013 11:19

That is freaking ridiculous. Even the BBQ - in what way is that offensive? If they cleaned up after themselves, where's the issue?

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Reply # 746743 18-Jan-2013 11:22

I would be interested in how\why trampolining and BBQing would be considered "culturally insensitive activities"...

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Reply # 746747 18-Jan-2013 11:27

FTA: "In Maori culture the head of important mountains is regarded as tapu or sacred."

Obviously jumping for joy is something they take as an offense...

(Yes, I'm not being sensitive here, things get ridiculous at times).

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Reply # 746755 18-Jan-2013 11:35

How dare you have fun!

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Reply # 746759 18-Jan-2013 11:36

Going against the grain here, but isn't the tramp group a bit silly doing this again knowing first hand the kerfuffle caused by the BBQ incident.

To me their attempt to mitigate it (going to the plateau rather than peak) was a bit pathetic, I suspect they just enjoy the publicity/exposure

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Reply # 746761 18-Jan-2013 11:39

nickb800: Going against the grain here, but isn't the tramp group a bit silly doing this again knowing first hand the kerfuffle caused by the BBQ incident.

To me their attempt to mitigate it (going to the plateau rather than peak) was a bit pathetic, I suspect they just enjoy the publicity/exposure

No I'm sorry but what they did is not against any written rules or law. Why should they consult with the DOC about it? It's OK to take tents and other camping equipment of any sort. What exactly is different about taking a trampoline? Or a BBQ for that matter?

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Reply # 746762 18-Jan-2013 11:39

Either way it exposes how ridiculous the situation is all around us.

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Reply # 746766 18-Jan-2013 11:49

It is the same Christian group that had a barbecue on top of Mt Taranaki a couple of years ago. They apologised for that.

I don't see any suggestion that the act of trampolining itself caused offence. In this new occurrence it looks to me like offence was caused by not discussing the planned event after apologising and promising to be more sensitive the first time around. In this case the problem appears to be about the relationship with this group rather than the activity itself.

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Reply # 746768 18-Jan-2013 11:51

ubergeeknz:
nickb800: Going against the grain here, but isn't the tramp group a bit silly doing this again knowing first hand the kerfuffle caused by the BBQ incident.

To me their attempt to mitigate it (going to the plateau rather than peak) was a bit pathetic, I suspect they just enjoy the publicity/exposure

No I'm sorry but what they did is not against any written rules or law. Why should they consult with the DOC about it? It's OK to take tents and other camping equipment of any sort. What exactly is different about taking a trampoline? Or a BBQ for that matter?

I never said that they broke any written rules.

All I'm saying is that if a considerate person accidentally culturally offended a person/group by once, they might think twice before doing a similar thing again the next year. Its about respect, not the law

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Reply # 746777 18-Jan-2013 12:08

gzt: It is the same Christian group that had a barbecue on top of Mt Taranaki a couple of years ago. They apologised for that.

I don't see any suggestion that the act of trampolining itself caused offence. In this new occurrence it looks to me like offence was caused by not discussing the planned event after apologising and promising to be more sensitive the first time around. In this case the problem appears to be about the relationship with this group rather than the activity itself.

Do you really think that after discussing it with Iwi and DOC they would of been given permission?

Yeah, right.

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Reply # 746780 18-Jan-2013 12:17

I'm not from the Taranaki iwi [edit: or Maori] so I have no idea. I have seen no suggestion that the activity itself was the problem. I don't think it is a question of permission here, it is a relationship thing.

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Reply # 746785 18-Jan-2013 12:24

If this group is prepared to go to all the trouble of taking a trampoline into Egmont National Park then let them have their completely harmless fun. The BBQ and couch they took to the summit of Mt Egmont was awesome, nobody was hurt, they didn't leave any rubbish (in fact they removed a whole bunch of other people's rubbish for good measure). Of course the Iwi get their nickers in a twist, it's what they do to make themselves think the rest of us care about their relevancy. DOC aren't much better either. In this case the group probably didn't even set foot on Mt Egmont anyway, they most likely came up via the Pouaki Ranges.

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Reply # 746798 18-Jan-2013 12:41

Also, people don't have the right to not be offended. If they think so then it's them with the problem.

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Reply # 746801 18-Jan-2013 12:49

ubergeeknz: Also, people don't have the right to not be offended. If they think so then it's them with the problem.

Indeed; if they think so then they should also make their time for great justice.

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Reply # 746807 18-Jan-2013 12:58

I'm heartend by all the comments supporting these guys.

The PC brigade are taking a drubbing in the court of popular opinion (as they bleeding well should)

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