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Topic # 150847 5-Aug-2014 11:52
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Anyone that does any mail order in NZ knows the problem

Establishing whether an address is rural or not so couriers wont hit you with the RURAL Delivery surcharge is a major time waster

I want to start a campaigm to introduce a postcode system like they have in the uk
Put this into google even TW20 0SJ and it will come up with my sisters street in the uk and they have what 68 million people.

The place i lived before even NZ post couldn't tell me if I was rural or not!!

So to the barricades and soapboxes whos with me?

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  Reply # 1102536 5-Aug-2014 12:15
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Same.
We have our mail left at the local garage - the Post Office - and it is not Rural Delivery.
However several suppliers will not be told.
And I could not get a definitive statement from NZ Post either. They said empirical evidence is the best thing....

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  Reply # 1102542 5-Aug-2014 12:23
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I always find the NZ Post postcode finder on their website tells you quite clearly if the address is RD or not. I don't live rural, but send rural from time to time, and have yet to experience any of the confusion the OP is describing ?




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  Reply # 1102548 5-Aug-2014 12:30
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We have the "Postal Address File" at work, which lists every delivery address in the country. Every single record is flagged with an "address type" which is usually urban or rural (although there are other options for PO Boxes and the like).

I don't mind checking an address or two if you PM me.

Edit: The database only has postal addresses, not physical addresses. If you're talking about courier services then things may be different.

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  Reply # 1102555 5-Aug-2014 12:43
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Different courier companies can also differ in whether they class an address as Rural or not. We've had a case where one company will treat the an address in Rangiora as rural and another one doesn't.

"Rural" charges can also depend on point of origin, and how large their set delivery zones are.

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  Reply # 1102607 5-Aug-2014 13:29
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I only support courier companies that don't charge it. Passtheparcel for example doesn't. I think charging for rural delivery sets up a bad precedent, where it will get so expensive that people just won't use it, further putting up costs for those that do. eg Look at our postal system where costs of sending mail is now so high thatpeople don't use it if they can. Where in one small town they can deleiver mail the same day using taxis for the same or lower price that NZ post does it.



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  Reply # 1102851 5-Aug-2014 20:22
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Behodar: We have the "Postal Address File" at work, which lists every delivery address in the country. Every single record is flagged with an "address type" which is usually urban or rural (although there are other options for PO Boxes and the like).

I don't mind checking an address or two if you PM me.

Edit: The database only has postal addresses, not physical addresses. If you're talking about courier services then things may be different.


Thanks for the offer and ther in lies part of the problem

We will take Sale A as an example

Sale A Is a Lead It will fit in a A5 satchel

Satchel cost inc gst from PBT delivered anywhere in NZ (EXCEPT RURAL*) $3.20

Packagig bubble wrap lest say .50c

I charge $4.50/4.90

The lead I sell for $4.90 and buy for $2.50 so Gross profit $2.40 + .80c Postage Total Gross profit $3.20

So I look up on PBT rural finder and it says its Rural Now that is by PBT standards which can diffrent to other couriers and NZ Post

If it is Rural there is a $5.20 surcharge!!

So email customer Item can go in a $4 NZ post Untracked delivery or $9 for rural courier

Customer emails me back  Tells me that I have no parents and I am a thief to boot as his address is not rural

I could go on but you get the idea (oh and by the way I cost out email responses at $5 a email what do you charge?)

We need one system that is indisputable.






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mattwnz: I only support courier companies that don't charge it. Passtheparcel for example doesn't. I think charging for rural delivery sets up a bad precedent, where it will get so expensive that people just won't use it, further putting up costs for those that do. eg Look at our postal system where costs of sending mail is now so high thatpeople don't use it if they can. Where in one small town they can deleiver mail the same day using taxis for the same or lower price that NZ post does it.


Hmmm Maybe no one has told you but mail is dead and every post office and government in the world wants to bury it 

Kiwis are notorious for not wanting to pay true delivery fees

The amount of people that ask why I charge $4.90 for a item that they could post for $1.5 seriously they do !!!!!

Even TM wont accept that there should be packaging charges!!

Who do you think packs the item Fairies TM!
And the vehicle I drive to the post office runs on Fairy dust!

But i digress.......




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  Reply # 1102873 5-Aug-2014 20:36
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Thats the problem with using non courierpost to send. At least courierpost follow what is checkable on the NZpost site.

You list the courier charges on the listing and people bid/buy now accepting that price is acceptable. I just email that the prices are as listed in the auction and that if they do not follow thru with the sale the item will be relisted and fees recovered and feedback left.




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  Reply # 1102980 5-Aug-2014 23:20
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gnfb:
Establishing whether an address is rural or not so couriers wont hit you with the RURAL Delivery surcharge is a major time waster


I use PtP so it doesn't matter for me, but I did happen to see this on the TM message boards today...

http://www.addresscheck.co.nz/






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  Reply # 1102991 5-Aug-2014 23:42
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gnfb:
mattwnz: I only support courier companies that don't charge it. Passtheparcel for example doesn't. I think charging for rural delivery sets up a bad precedent, where it will get so expensive that people just won't use it, further putting up costs for those that do. eg Look at our postal system where costs of sending mail is now so high thatpeople don't use it if they can. Where in one small town they can deleiver mail the same day using taxis for the same or lower price that NZ post does it.


Hmmm Maybe no one has told you but mail is dead and every post office and government in the world wants to bury it 

Kiwis are notorious for not wanting to pay true delivery fees

The amount of people that ask why I charge $4.90 for a item that they could post for $1.5 seriously they do !!!!!

Even TM wont accept that there should be packaging charges!!

Who do you think packs the item Fairies TM!
And the vehicle I drive to the post office runs on Fairy dust!

But i digress.......


For personal use, yes, but many businesses still rely on it, and need a same or next day service. There will also always be a need for delivering parcels, and the only difference between letters and parcels is the size. Even 21st century companies like google and trademe rely on postage for things like address verification.

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  Reply # 1102993 5-Aug-2014 23:45
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gnfb:
mattwnz: I only support courier companies that don't charge it. Passtheparcel for example doesn't. I think charging for rural delivery sets up a bad precedent, where it will get so expensive that people just won't use it, further putting up costs for those that do. eg Look at our postal system where costs of sending mail is now so high thatpeople don't use it if they can. Where in one small town they can deleiver mail the same day using taxis for the same or lower price that NZ post does it.


Hmmm Maybe no one has told you but mail is dead and every post office and government in the world wants to bury it 

Kiwis are notorious for not wanting to pay true delivery fees

The amount of people that ask why I charge $4.90 for a item that they could post for $1.5 seriously they do !!!!!

Even TM wont accept that there should be packaging charges!!

Who do you think packs the item Fairies TM!
And the vehicle I drive to the post office runs on Fairy dust!

But i digress.......


Actually it is NZ post who don't accept that packing costs. When I had to make a claim with NZ post when they squashed/broke an item, I also claimed for things like padding and bubblewrap, which cost perhaps $3. But they refused to compensate those costs, as they say they only cover the actual goods, not packing or transport costs.



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rural delivery is a odd one..

when i was living in the waitaks, ild put the actual address (wairere road, waitakere) rather than Henderson RD2 which both were "valid" 99% of the time, rural delivery would deliver it, without that pesky 5$ charge.

while through other couriers they will check it and come back and say hey, thats a rural address.






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  Reply # 1103040 6-Aug-2014 08:37
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When I send out parcels from work to clients' home addresses, I've always just used Google maps if I'm uncertain whether I might need to chuck a rural delivery ticket on the package.




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hio77: rural delivery is a odd one..

when i was living in the waitaks, ild put the actual address (wairere road, waitakere) rather than Henderson RD2 which both were "valid" 99% of the time, rural delivery would deliver it, without that pesky 5$ charge.

while through other couriers they will check it and come back and say hey, thats a rural address.




So you're admitting to putting an incorrect address in order to rip off the people that you are buying from when they get penalty charges for unticketed rural deliveries? Lovely.


That is why I ran almost everything thru the nz post address checker when selling. Of course if trademe were any use and had people's addreses entered properly instead of a free form text boxes then it wouldn't be possible to rip off sellers like that.




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richms:
hio77: rural delivery is a odd one..

when i was living in the waitaks, ild put the actual address (wairere road, waitakere) rather than Henderson RD2 which both were "valid" 99% of the time, rural delivery would deliver it, without that pesky 5$ charge.

while through other couriers they will check it and come back and say hey, thats a rural address.




So you're admitting to putting an incorrect address in order to rip off the people that you are buying from when they get penalty charges for unticketed rural deliveries? Lovely.


That is why I ran almost everything thru the nz post address checker when selling. Of course if trademe were any use and had people's addreses entered properly instead of a free form text boxes then it wouldn't be possible to rip off sellers like that.


I disliked this when I was processing mail orders. We used CourierPost, so I would check the NZPost website, but sometimes in order to get an order ready before courier was due for pick-up I wouldn't have time to check. Not nice getting an unexpected invoice in the mail from CourierPost for the unticketed RD item.

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