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# 166095 2-Mar-2015 17:57
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There's an article in the Herald about that shooting in the WINZ office a while back, the MSD have had a charge filed against them by Worksafe!  I'm trying (and failing) to work out how a WINZ office can be responsible for a nut job bringing in a gun and shooting people!

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  # 1249700 2-Mar-2015 18:03
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From memory (not always reliable), wasn't there previous information that he posed a threat to Winz staff in the months leading up to the incident?



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  # 1249761 2-Mar-2015 20:11
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justifying their reason for being




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NZ Govt vs NZ Govt. It's way spending someone else's money

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  # 1249778 2-Mar-2015 20:24
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jeffnz: justifying their reason for being


Which is to prosecute employers that fail to protect their employees from known or potential risk of injury and or death in their place of employment.

I see no reason why Worksafe shouldn't bring a case against another government department or the government itself for that matter, when there is legal grounds to prosecute. If they didn't they'd most likely be accused of not justifying their existence. And there's the matter of the victims insurance companies bringing private prosecutions to recover the cost of paying out any life insurance policies...



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  # 1249792 2-Mar-2015 20:46
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The Ministry was warned of the risks to staff when the change to open plan offices was implemented.




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Those rent a cops at WINZ offices will stop all the bad guys now.




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  # 1249834 2-Mar-2015 21:22
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DarthKermit: Those rent a cops at WINZ offices will stop all the bad guys now.


No, the recipe for disaster not really changed




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nathan: NZ Govt vs NZ Govt. It's way spending someone else's money


It happens more often than you would think. 

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IIRC, the law was changed to allow govt departments to be prosecuted after the Cave Creek cluster-fu**, er, fiasco in the 1990s.




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Totally agree, WINZ should be hung out to dry for not insuring their employees all had loaded guns in their desk drawers.




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This is a serious situation. The staff are at considerable risk daily.




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So yesterday a cop got smashed in the head with a bottle, another bitten on the arse by a dog, why were they not wearing a helmet and kevlar pants?

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KiwiNZ: This is a serious situation. The staff are at considerable risk daily.


Oh come on. Now I suppose you want all Gov and Local Gov buildings  that have a public counters  to have  knuckle draggers at the doors and bullet proof glass with speaker grills at all counters??   If you carry this to it's logical conclusion any company  / organization that has a public interface will have to do the same. All restaurant works should have bullet proof vests just in case some loon decides to do a Sydney type of siege..   All police and HP officers should be armed  to ensure a safe work place. 

Nope .  This is bureaucracy  gone wrong..




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kiwitrc: So yesterday a cop got smashed in the head with a bottle, another bitten on the arse by a dog, why were they not wearing a helmet and kevlar pants?

Because New Zealand isn't America, haha.

I wouldn't blame them for wearing more protective gear.  But from what I've heard before, they don't even like wearing their anti-stab vests.





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