Which is more important - The TPPA or the Waitress?

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#171564 22-Apr-2015 20:05

Well?

Just asking because the prevalent "Nanny State" supporters seem to be fixated on an anonymous posting by the "Waitress".

And yet the TPPA (which I would assume affects us more) is rarely discussed here on Geekzone.

Does anybody know what the TPPA stands for? Or what it means to us here in NZ?

Are we all falling into that soft, comfortable, safe zone that the US wants us to? ........................... Is the "Waitress" a well placed and timely distraction?

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#1289744 22-Apr-2015 20:16

I think the important question is, 'What does The Waitress think about the TPPA?'

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#1289745 22-Apr-2015 20:17

The TTPA was discussed so may times here. My guess is these "secret negotiations" are taking this long because they want people to lose their interest in fighting it.

I am sure future generations of New Zealanders would regret if it was ever signed by this country. I am also sure our government will sign it. Regardless of orientation or party in the leadership.

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#1289752 22-Apr-2015 20:26

The TPPA is a double edged sword, it has both advantages and disadvantages. It is sold as being vital for us to trade with Pacific Rim partners, I have real doubt's with that. Our most important market is not involved init.
It is protectionism by stealth and influence, I do not believe we will benefit from it but some sectors will.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1289754 22-Apr-2015 20:28

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#1289759 22-Apr-2015 20:31

The Australians are probably correct in assuming that its the USA's way of enforcing hard copyright laws and penalties on behalf of antiquated movie industry moguls and artists.

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#1289825 22-Apr-2015 22:39

I think they are both important.

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#1289895 23-Apr-2015 07:16

freitasm: The TTPA was discussed so may times here. My guess is these "secret negotiations" are taking this long because they want people to lose their interest in fighting it.

I am sure future generations of New Zealanders would regret if it was ever signed by this country. I am also sure our government will sign it. Regardless of orientation or party in the leadership.

Do you mean sexual position orientation? Because I know which country will get screwed!

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#1289924 23-Apr-2015 08:21

DaveB: .... seem to be fixated on an anonymous posting by the "Waitress". ......

Amanda Bailey is her name, 26 years old.

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#1289933 23-Apr-2015 08:35

mattbush: The Australians are probably correct in assuming that its the USA's way of enforcing hard copyright laws and penalties on behalf of antiquated movie industry moguls and artists.

Especially the artists who *are* moguls and wish to stay that way.

But it's not just the movie industry... really the TPPA is saying that in exchange for "free trade", NZ (and other govts) must stop protecting their citizens from the greed and rapacity of the rich and powerful.

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#1290077 23-Apr-2015 12:03

and the answer is:

Waitress.

This thread has less than half a page, the other one i see is up to page 14

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#1290078 23-Apr-2015 12:09

One question I have about the TPPA. If it is signed by our current government, can a successor remove us from it?

They are essentially agreeing to [REDACTED] without any consultation. A lot of [REDACTED] as reported by Wikileaks seems very disturbing, and seems to suggest there are far more negatives than positives for our country.

Of course, we won't know for certain until it it is all signed, sealed, and delivered. If we come out of this as poorly as the Wikileaks documents tend to suggest, will we get a chance to undo this?

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#1290081 23-Apr-2015 12:14

Perhaps the waitress can get rid of the Prime Minister and then a new government can "get rid" of the TPPA?

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#1290083 23-Apr-2015 12:15

a new government will succumb to TPPA. you think when big brother comes to collect money the new govt will be willing to get hit?

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#1290108 23-Apr-2015 12:39

joker97: a new government will succumb to TPPA. you think when big brother comes to collect money the new govt will be willing to get hit?

If TPPA does come into effect, and pharmaceutical prices sky rocket, goods are far more expensive due to parallel importing becoming illegal, and the new Government has to repeal or prevent anti-smoking or environment preservation measures due to multi-billion dollar lawsuits, I'd like to think they would attempt to undo the mess that the previous Government has made.

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#1290143 23-Apr-2015 13:13

joker97: a new government will succumb to TPPA. you think when big brother comes to collect money the new govt will be willing to get hit?

Just don't pay it, what are they going to do invade us, because an agreement was made by what seems to me to be a government comitting treason to serve their own interests and their mates and not the country as a whole.

It will cancel out the benefits, but for most people the cost will be higher then any benefit's we get out of TPPA.

It just gives more power to the corporates and reduces sovereignty of countries.

Waitress and this one are different subjects, so don't think it's a case of which one more important, TPPA effects more people in long run, where waitress one is a question of what's appropriate behavior, but still important as it effects the people being treated in a way they don't wish to be.

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