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Topic # 191286 30-Jan-2016 21:18
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Hi guys as the title suggests its time to replace the Samsung front loader we got about 5 years ago as it has got a few issues. Have visited a couple of stores who recommend going Miele / Bosch way as they will last longer than anything else on the market. What is the opinion here? Have the newer Samsungs got any better or any other recommendations. 





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  Reply # 1481949 30-Jan-2016 21:23
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I was told that the LG front loader was way ahead of the samsungs when buying. Its not failed yet.

 

Not 100% sure that it is using the hot inlet as much as it could, but better than the euro ones that all seem to only take cold and then slowly heat it themselves.





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  Reply # 1481965 30-Jan-2016 21:43
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I've got a samsung front-loader + a samsung heatpump dryer and they're totally fine. I think they've got quite a bit better.

 

Had my (first) dryer develop a door seal issue, the local repairers were quite incompetent so Samsung called me saying "a new replacement dryer is on the way to you" - can't fault their service.





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  Reply # 1481981 30-Jan-2016 22:02
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Hi guys as the title suggests its time to replace the Samsung front loader we got about 5 years ago as it has got a few issues. Have visited a couple of stores who recommend going Miele / Bosch way as they will last longer than anything else on the market. What is the opinion here? Have the newer Samsungs got any better or any other recommendations. 

 

 

 

 

Generally yes, Miele is the best (especially now that Dyson no longer make their excellently geeky contra-rotating machines).

 

Miele stuff is certainly expensive in NZ. We have a F&P top loading High Efficiency machine (we are not on mains water so wanted a machine that would use as little as possible) and we bought it in early 2007. To date, (and I realise I have jinxed it now!) it has never needed any attention at all.

 

It's a top loader, but you must use front loader powder. Front loader powder is formulated with foam inhibitors I believe.






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  Reply # 1481986 30-Jan-2016 22:14
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I've had 2 x F&P top loaders, and they're simple to use... but are noisy, thrash the clothes and like a lot of top loaders don't heat their own water.

 

I hated our LG front loader, the door was horrible to close properly (alarms would sound even when you thought it was right).

 

We've had a high-spec Miele for a while now, it auto-doses (you use liquid detergent in cartridges - either Miele's or your own choices) and it is very, very quiet, washes extremely well and has yet to do any damage to clothing. The barrel is very well finished too. Of course, for over 3.5k, you'd freaking well expect it to be good. But then again, buy once, buy right.


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  Reply # 1482032 30-Jan-2016 22:56
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A top loader that heats it's own water would be pointless. As a 2kw element only heats 32L per hour. So a load would take at least 4 hours to wash.





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  Reply # 1482107 31-Jan-2016 10:11
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Aredwood: A top loader that heats it's own water would be pointless. As a 2kw element only heats 32L per hour. So a load would take at least 4 hours to wash.

 

 

 

That's not likely to be correct.

 

Yes - it takes around an hour to raise water temp of 32 litres of water 50 deg C with a 2kw element (excluding losses), but the "at least 4 hours" assumes that there would be say 32 litres used in each wash and rinse cycle, the wash cycle would be hot (not warm) and that there would be two hot rinse cycles.

 

As general household slave for a few decades, I've very seldom used a hot wash cycle, occasionally warm (so make that say 1/2 hour to heat a 32 litre load of water by 25 deg instead of an hour to heat it 50 deg).  I've never set a machine to use a hot rinse cycle.

 

So for a top loading machine using about 100 litres of water per load, (1/3 for wash, 2/3 for two cold rinse cycles) you'd add about an hour if you needed a hot wash (~60 deg), and only about half hour if wanting a warm load (~35 deg).

 

I think F&P used to make top loaders with internal water heater - not sure if they still do.




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  Reply # 1482108 31-Jan-2016 10:13
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Thanks for the inputs so far guys. What about Bosch? They seem to have good customer satisfaction ratings as per Canstar.




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  Reply # 1482110 31-Jan-2016 10:24
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The olds have Bosch washer and heat pump dryer seemed to clean/dry well and not overly noisey. Only about 6 months old so hard to get an idea of how it is for reliability at this point. Anyone have a Panasonic washing machine? I see they do front and top loaders. Seem to be relatively recent to the NZ market. 


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  Reply # 1482113 31-Jan-2016 10:42
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Read the reviews on this Australian website.

 

 

 

http://www.productreview.com.au/c/washing-machines.html


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  Reply # 1482114 31-Jan-2016 10:51
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Bought a pretty stock standard Bosch front loader 10yrs ago and aside from a few screws and coins getting stuck in the filter and causing minor leaks (entirely my fault for not emptying my pockets!) it has never missed a beat.

Wasn't super cheap and doesn't have a load of features, but it just works and is simple to use. Would definitely recommend.

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  Reply # 1482115 31-Jan-2016 10:51
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Aredwood: A top loader that heats it's own water would be pointless. As a 2kw element only heats 32L per hour. So a load would take at least 4 hours to wash.

 

 

 

Why would it be more pointless than a front loader that did the same?






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  Reply # 1482120 31-Jan-2016 11:12
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Geektastic:

 

Why would it be more pointless than a front loader that did the same?

 

 

Because they use way more water, so it has a lot more to heat up. Even a front loader that heats its own adds considerably to the time for the wash, but the reason I was told they often exclusivly heat their own is that the amount is so low that it may not even get hot water coming from the tap by the time it is full. Would have thought they could run the drain pump at the same time till hot water came thru to solve that problem.





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  Reply # 1482184 31-Jan-2016 12:08
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Bought a LG top loader ~5 year ago, still going strong, has a hot water inlet and is very very quiet. It isn't very fast (45 minutes / load) but the delayed start function is great for when you want to go out and have you washing ready to hang when you get back. 

 

Next time will buy a front loader, they just wash better.

 

 

 

sidders80: Thanks for the inputs so far guys. What about Bosch? They seem to have good customer satisfaction ratings as per Canstar.

 

Check where the model is made, some are made in Italy now. My parents had two, both bombed out after ~3 months. Their Whirlpool replacement has been going for years. 


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  Reply # 1482202 31-Jan-2016 13:42
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Not sure I'd buy F&P again. Mine are 8 years and still going, but had a lot of trouble with the drier. Washer's fine. Fridge bought at the same is going fine but makes a few odd noises, and the crisper tray broke within 6 months.

 

Make sure you buy units with time delays, that way you can schedule them to run off peak - very handy if you get off peak rates like flick electric does.





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  Reply # 1482292 31-Jan-2016 16:10
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I'd never buy another Samsung, recalls, and just plain bad design (breaking hinges, silly wash cycles) and quality of the ones I've owned in the past.

Would also never touch a top loader even with all the marketing gimmicks that claim they clean as good as a front loader

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