Where's my bodyguard and good for one but not the other.

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Topic # 192031 24-Feb-2016 19:05

So since I have had my fibre installed (yay me) I can sit back and pose these questions in leisure.

Just wondering if our minster's minders are really doing their job and will they all be getting a grilling over the incidents with both Joyce and Brownlee. Do they have minders and are they part of a protection squad for all ministers or just the top 5 ??.

I can understand somebody possibly getting close enough to throw a sex toy however being able to walk right up and tip something over their head I would have thought they would not have been able to get that close with an object in their hand.

Why would they not prosecute her yet prosecute him where they have both pretty much done the same thing by assaulting a minister seems pretty one sided to me.

Anyway just a couple of things I was wondering about.

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Reply # 1498767 24-Feb-2016 20:19

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And to give context, what is this all about?

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Reply # 1498777 24-Feb-2016 20:27

freitasm:

And to give context, what is this all about?

Was curious about how our minsters are guarded in public and are they really doing that great of a job where there can to two instances in a short space of each other with some high profile ministers.

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Reply # 1498789 24-Feb-2016 20:50

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Mspec:

freitasm:

And to give context, what is this all about?

Was curious about how our minsters are guarded in public and are they really doing that great of a job where there can to two instances in a short space of each other with some high profile ministers.

You could make a public OIA request, to ask what steps (if any) might be taken to increase security, but I doubt you'd get an answer.

Not sure what you expect though - handbag searches for such "weapons" might cause embarrassment to the innocent., a shoot to kill policy on nurses wielding dildos might backfire in the court of public opinion.

As for the chap in Chch, after hearing him on National Radio, and now knowing some of his history, then in my unprofessional opinion, there's something lacking in mental health support services in NZ.

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Reply # 1498790 24-Feb-2016 20:50

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Think it's up to the minister concerned if he wishes to press charges. I guess he was hoping for the embarassesment to go away.

It would be hilarious if throwing amusing things at politicians became a kiwi tradition / form of protest.

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Reply # 1498804 24-Feb-2016 21:16

Double your taxes and I will personally guarantee (being in a position of no power or responsibility over these sort of things of course) that every Minister/Public Figure/Hangbag Dog gets a personal 24 hour bodyguard provided by DPS who will search every person within a 2 block radius for sticky tricky weapons.

I think it's fair to say that every public event is given a risk assessment by those in the know and Public Figures would be rather upset at being kept away from their constituents by over zealous security. Getting something thrown at you is part of the risk (fun) of being a Public Figure in this fine country.

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Reply # 1498806 24-Feb-2016 21:18

I was covering an event in December at which John Key spoke to a small group of Chinese dignitaries.

I counted at least 3 plain clothes armed officers never more than 15 feet away. Due to previous employment I am also aware of other measures, but it would be inappropriate to disclose them here.

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Reply # 1498808 24-Feb-2016 21:22

Fred99:

Mspec:

freitasm:

And to give context, what is this all about?

Was curious about how our minsters are guarded in public and are they really doing that great of a job where there can to two instances in a short space of each other with some high profile ministers.

You could make a public OIA request, to ask what steps (if any) might be taken to increase security, but I doubt you'd get an answer.

Not sure what you expect though - handbag searches for such "weapons" might cause embarrassment to the innocent., a shoot to kill policy on nurses wielding dildos might backfire in the court of public opinion.

As for the chap in Chch, after hearing him on National Radio, and now knowing some of his history, then in my unprofessional opinion, there's something lacking in mental health support services in NZ.

I don't really have any expectations to be honest was curious more than anything to what level of protection they might have. Obviously pm would have more cover than the ministers.

Agreed the gentleman down here has been failed and I could not imagine what he has been through since the loss of his son.

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Reply # 1498820 24-Feb-2016 21:33

Mspec:

freitasm:

And to give context, what is this all about?

Was curious about how our minsters are guarded in public and are they really doing that great of a job where there can to two instances in a short space of each other with some high profile ministers.

Thanks but I am not aware of the second instance, hence my question.

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Reply # 1498827 24-Feb-2016 21:38

Ah ok there was the lady that threw the sticky dicky and the chap who dumped an ice cream container of gunk over Brownlee at the Christchurch earthquake memorial the other day.

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Reply # 1498828 24-Feb-2016 21:39

freitasm:

Mspec:

freitasm:

And to give context, what is this all about?

Was curious about how our minsters are guarded in public and are they really doing that great of a job where there can to two instances in a short space of each other with some high profile ministers.

Thanks but I am not aware of the second instance, hence my question.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/77169484/gerry-brownlee-protester-lost-son-jayden-andrewshowland-in-quake

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Reply # 1498829 24-Feb-2016 21:39

I know about the lady (?) but didn't know about the CHC event.

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Reply # 1498833 24-Feb-2016 21:43

GeoffisPure:

Think it's up to the minister concerned if he wishes to press charges. I guess he was hoping for the embarassesment to go away.

It would be hilarious if throwing amusing things at politicians became a kiwi tradition / form of protest.

Would it?

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Reply # 1498834 24-Feb-2016 21:45

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The guy threw muck over a minister for reasons to me seem like he believes Brownlee CAUSED the earthquake that killed his son.

It's tragic his son died, I can't imagine the agony of the poor guy, but despite his considerable girth, even at terminal velocity Brownlee impacting the earth wouldn't register with Geonet.

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Reply # 1498835 24-Feb-2016 21:47

Ministers want to be seen as, and demonstrate that they are, accessible to the public. This means that, very occasionally, incidents such as the two recent ones will happen. The only way to stop or minimize such incidents would to have minimum separation distances. Or shut the ministers in domes. Hermetically sealed...

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Reply # 1498836 24-Feb-2016 21:47

Geektastic:

I am also aware of other measures, but it would be inappropriate to disclose them here.

Ah yes. I was in Rome a little while after the Pope got attacked (several years ago). I happened to be there on the day that the Pope was having one of his public audiences in St Peter's Square (or maybe he heard I was going to be there that day and had a special one? Who knows?) Anyway, I was equipped with a good telephoto lens, and there, up amongst the statues of saints and so on, was a bunch of cops/soldiers (hard to tell the difference in Rome) with a tripod-mounted machine gun. Fortunately, no-one within 20m of me made any terrorist-like movements.

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