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#198005 22-Jun-2016 09:29

Hi all I just received this PM from a forum member !!!!

" I´m Martin from Germany and have a special request:If you or your friends, neighbours, co-workers or other people in your environment have SKY TV and a rather fast internet connection, I have something for you:
My question is: Would you like to purchase a Sky subscription and slingbox or add multiroom to your existing subscription."

What are people's thought on recieveing something like this ?

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#1578096 22-Jun-2016 09:39

Same posted to many forums:

http://www.iptvforums.net/thread/13205.aspx

Some kind of streaming tv site operation?

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#1578097 22-Jun-2016 09:39

How do you think all the online streaming services (such as sport) get their content?

Makes a difference from people wanting to card share..

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#1578099 22-Jun-2016 09:51

You should contact myself or a moderator instead of posting in the forums. We can then collect information from which user is sending this as moderators cannot read anyone else's PMs.

Also removed details as it's not good to have that in public.

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#1578119 22-Jun-2016 10:26

I think I need this explained to me like I'm 5 - this is how I understand it - correct me if I'm wrong:

You have a Sky HD subscription and a "Slingbox". The Slingbox streams - effectively "rebroadcasting" your sky satellite feed - through to "Martin" in "Germany". Martin then gives away (oh no he probably doesn't - he "sells" or runs a for profit service) access to Sky's content. Sky has a problem because unless they could get Martin's cooperation, they can't find out who is streaming the content to Martin. Martin presumably sets up his service in a manner which makes it near impossible for Sky TV to shut him down.

But you're not safe doing this from NZ, as if Martin wasn't clever enough hiding his tracks and stuffs up, then they will break down doors, and as you've accepted payment/compensation from Martin, then rather than facing 3 strikes laws as in the case of sharing a torrent etc, they'll be suing you for a massive sum. That won't be limited to theoretical losses for Sky TV NZ (ie based on people in NZ who watched your stream) but global, as you'd have probably been streaming content which would have been syndicated globally. I guess you could upload the stream to Martin via a VPN to give an extra level of anonymity, but I'm also guessing that the stakes are pretty high here - enough to provoke a concerted effort to catch you.

I watched a bit of a 24 hours of Le Mans the other day, presumably re-broadcast from a pay TV subscriber, then streamed live via youtube. I was surprised that it was working, sometimes tens of thousands of viewers, quality was okay (720p). Curious that youtube can block user video that had a background sound that seemed via Google's algorithms to be close enough to some copyrighted work to block it, but this got through no problem.

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#1578148 22-Jun-2016 10:42

Fred99:

Curious that youtube can block user video that had a background sound that seemed via Google's algorithms to be close enough to some copyrighted work to block it, but this got through no problem.

Realtime vs Processing an upload. I don't think ContentID works realtime (yet).

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#1578167 22-Jun-2016 10:49

wasabi2k:

Fred99:

Curious that youtube can block user video that had a background sound that seemed via Google's algorithms to be close enough to some copyrighted work to block it, but this got through no problem.

Realtime vs Processing an upload. I don't think ContentID works realtime (yet).

Yeah - I guess that would be a very very difficult thing to do, as the algorithm compares a to b, but you've only got a with new live content. Still I was surprised that a person didn't dob in the live feed on youtube, it wasn't hard to find.

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#1578170 22-Jun-2016 10:56

Most people probably haven't heard of forensic watermarking.

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#1578261 22-Jun-2016 12:12

ZollyMonsta:

Most people probably haven't heard of forensic watermarking.

Probably better explain that further. Not to be confused with forensic watermark that identifies which copy of the original media was being pirated (ie as has been used to successfully trace and then prosecute people who'd uploaded/distributed watermarked pre-release movies etc), but forensic watermarking could be applied at the set top box/decoder level, embedding the serial number of the decoder which would very quickly be able to be traced back. Also not to be confused with watermark / logos etc. The watermark could be hidden, spread across the frame (ie so it couldn't be cropped out), could be dropped into a few random frames only etc, so practically impossible to detect let alone remove.

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#1578310 22-Jun-2016 13:09

Fred99:
ZollyMonsta:

Most people probably haven't heard of forensic watermarking.

Probably better explain that further. Not to be confused with forensic watermark that identifies which copy of the original media was being pirated (ie as has been used to successfully trace and then prosecute people who'd uploaded/distributed watermarked pre-release movies etc), but forensic watermarking could be applied at the set top box/decoder level, embedding the serial number of the decoder which would very quickly be able to be traced back. Also not to be confused with watermark / logos etc. The watermark could be hidden, spread across the frame (ie so it couldn't be cropped out), could be dropped into a few random frames only etc, so practically impossible to detect let alone remove.

I posted it in a way as a warning to people not to be stupid.

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#1578314 22-Jun-2016 13:15

I notice that you can report anyone's post on the message boards, but there isn't a way to report dodgy messages to the moderators here.

@freitasm, could this be looked at as a future improvement since you say the mods can't read user's messages?

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#1578477 22-Jun-2016 17:16

@DarthKermit: I notice that you can report anyone's post on the message boards, but there isn't a way to report dodgy messages to the moderators here.

@freitasm, could this be looked at as a future improvement since you say the mods can't read user's messages?

[Edit] Oops - misinterpreted the post, sorry. Can you "forward" messages? In which case it could be forwarded to a mod.

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#1578487 22-Jun-2016 17:35

andrew027:

@DarthKermit: I notice that you can report anyone's post on the message boards, but there isn't a way to report dodgy messages to the moderators here.

@freitasm, could this be looked at as a future improvement since you say the mods can't read user's messages?

[Edit] Oops - misinterpreted the post, sorry. Can you "forward" messages? In which case it could be forwarded to a mod.

No, you can't forward messages, that I can see.

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#1578608 22-Jun-2016 19:27

Just copy and resend it. Not exactly a lot of work.

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#1578633 22-Jun-2016 20:17

But I could add whatever to your post before resenting and how would you prove it wasn't true?

I think if this becomes a problem, we'd need a way to add a moderator/BDFL to have 'read' access to the PM directly to ensure nobody 'tweaks' the message before sending it?

For E.g. you and tdgeek often rumble in threads so he just 'forwards' a post you sent after 'fixing' it and gets you banned (not saying he would! Just for example) what way could you have to prove YOUR copy that you forward wasn't the 'tweaked' version anyway?

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#1578645 22-Jun-2016 20:41

We currently don't have a Forward option for PMs. I can read PMs if I run a query on the database. Our moderators do not have access to anything that is not on the web platform and since they can't see the database they don't have any way to see messages.

A PM report would be something to consider.

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