Warmest May ever.....latest in a series of warmest months ever.

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#198199 30-Jun-2016 08:43

This climate change thing appears to be picking up speed. May in NZ was the warmest May ever recorded (since 1909).

Not being linear, we may now see a falling away before a new peak is reached next year or the year after. Or it might just continue to get warmer.

We don't really know.

But what we do know is that it has been getting warmer and warmer...and the pace is accelerating. That is already documented....and in line with the more urgent predictions, not the conservative ones.

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#1583121 30-Jun-2016 08:52

Its alright though, we're safe for another 30-50 years, because the solar cycle is heading us into another "little ice age" (as reported by the NZherald, but the words ice age have since been edited out)

So warmer local earth weather + cooler solar weather = no change.??

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#1583127 30-Jun-2016 09:04

Yet there are many who do not believe that climate change is happening despite the evidence outside.

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#1583135 30-Jun-2016 09:14

Dairyxox:

Its alright though, we're safe for another 30-50 years, because the solar cycle is heading us into another "little ice age" (as reported by the NZherald, but the words ice age have since been edited out)

So warmer local earth weather + cooler solar weather = no change.??

Glad you included the "??" :-)

Meanwhile...for the next 50 years....

I also note that we are warmest now at the minimum point...and the cycle is 11 years.

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#1583152 30-Jun-2016 09:33

Dairyxox:

Its alright though, we're safe for another 30-50 years, because the solar cycle is heading us into another "little ice age" (as reported by the NZherald, but the words ice age have since been edited out)

So warmer local earth weather + cooler solar weather = no change.??

Good thing that got edited out, as it wasn't accurate:

There's not yet consensus about whether Solar Cycle 25 will be larger or smaller than 24.
Solar cycle 24 does appear to have the lowest sunspot number since records have been kept, but the correlation between low sunspot activity and the "little ice age" may be coincidence, and in any case may be "weather" change - not global "climate" change. The variation in solar output between periods of low and high solar activity isn't enough to cause significant difference. There's not enough evidence that the little ice age(s) were global. There are other possible correlations (with volcanic activity).

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#1583154 30-Jun-2016 09:40

Yes my post was a bit "tongue in cheek". So I'm glad you took it with a grain of salt.

I think any sensible person should agree that regardless of whether you believe in global warming or not, its in our best interests to look after our environment the best we can.

Good point, about it being this hot at solar minimum too. Makes you wonder what the next solar maximum will be like.

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#1583159 30-Jun-2016 09:53

Meh. As long as it lasts another 50 years or so, it will do me.

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#1583162 30-Jun-2016 09:57

future generations are in for a very hard time, i worry about the mess my grand children will be in due to our inaction. If we think there are migration problems in the world now they will be insignificant to what is around the corner.

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#1583164 30-Jun-2016 09:57

Dairyxox:

Good point, about it being this hot at solar minimum too. Makes you wonder what the next solar maximum will be like.

Why?

The correlation (ie between Maunder minimum and so-called "little ice age") isn't explained by difference in solar output, so it's a stretch to expect that there'd be an increase in global temperature during periods of high solar activity.

What it (a period with very low solar cycles - if that's what we're heading for) will thoroughly stuff up is manned missions to Mars etc. Pretty marginal anyway due to solar and galactic cosmic rays, the decrease in solar wind, flares etc means more very high energy galactic cosmic rays - which is harder or practically impossible to adequately shield against. I believe we probably need to find a cure for cancer before - and to make - extended space exploration viable, which is probably good from a humanitarian POV as well, considering the resources needed for both.

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#1583166 30-Jun-2016 10:04

Geektastic:

Meh. As long as it lasts another 50 years or so, it will do me.

So long as reincarnation doesn't happen, I guess. If you came back as a toad, perhaps you'd hope for a princess

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#1583223 30-Jun-2016 10:51

Dairyxox:

Its alright though, we're safe for another 30-50 years, because the solar cycle is heading us into another "little ice age" (as reported by the NZherald, but the words ice age have since been edited out)

So warmer local earth weather + cooler solar weather = no change.??

That Herald report is total BS as usual.

The two photos are supposed to be a 'then' and 'now' comparison.

But, they are not comparable at all.

They are clearly taken in different wavelengths.

Here is a comparison to the first picture taken a year ago (01-Jul-2015).

There are certainly a few sunspots. But, the difference is not nearly as dramatic as the the Herald would have you believe.

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#1583231 30-Jun-2016 11:06

Fred99:

Dairyxox:

Good point, about it being this hot at solar minimum too. Makes you wonder what the next solar maximum will be like.

Why?

The correlation (ie between Maunder minimum and so-called "little ice age") isn't explained by difference in solar output, so it's a stretch to expect that there'd be an increase in global temperature during periods of high solar activity.

What it (a period with very low solar cycles - if that's what we're heading for) will thoroughly stuff up is manned missions to Mars etc. Pretty marginal anyway due to solar and galactic cosmic rays, the decrease in solar wind, flares etc means more very high energy galactic cosmic rays - which is harder or practically impossible to adequately shield against. I believe we probably need to find a cure for cancer before - and to make - extended space exploration viable, which is probably good from a humanitarian POV as well, considering the resources needed for both.

Yes I know the science of it all is up in the air and subject to change. Its just a theory but its interesting and may have a combined impact. Makes you wonder.

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#1583241 30-Jun-2016 11:30

Two examples for me. They are only anecdotal, but still...

House flies buzzing around in May/June. I don't recall seeing those little bastards at this time of year before.
Down at the local SPCA there is a mother cat with six kittens who were born in June. Pretty unusual.

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#1583248 30-Jun-2016 11:46

Peas and spring bulbs have started sprouting on my deck in Dunedin.

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#1583265 30-Jun-2016 12:04

Monarch butterflies have been hatching like mad all month long at my property.

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#1583282 30-Jun-2016 12:32

Linuxluver:

Dairyxox:

Its alright though, we're safe for another 30-50 years, because the solar cycle is heading us into another "little ice age" (as reported by the NZherald, but the words ice age have since been edited out)

So warmer local earth weather + cooler solar weather = no change.??

Glad you included the "??" :-)

Meanwhile...for the next 50 years....

I also note that we are warmest now at the minimum point...and the cycle is 11 years.

Talking of 50 years, I read once that if a change was made to the weather inputs, such as banning fossil fuels, it would take 50 years for the earth to stabilise. Now, take the tipping point, where changes we make to fix global warming are too late, as the cycle is feeding itself in runaway warming? Ice melts as sea warms, less ice to reflect sunlight, adds more heat from the sun, oceans warm more, ice melts more, the great water tunnel slows down. Unsure when they say the tipping point is,but its a potentially sad story.

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