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Topic # 201874 8-Sep-2016 10:25
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Just reading THIS article on the Herald, I feel for the mother, she is stuck between a rock and a hard place and her only options are to move her daughter to another school or move where she lives.

 

Why are those her only options? Because the current laws are out of date and cannot deal with youth offending, this isn't a school yard argument the offender is someone who obviously doesn't care about about anyone else. Blow are some bits taken from the article.

 

 

 

"The girl could not be charged because of her age and the ''offence doesn't meet the criteria for a child arrest''

 

 

 

''Does my daughter have to end up dead before someone does something about it?''

 

 

 

''Why can't a 13-year-old causing this amount of damage be dealt with properly?''

 

 

 

"Police witnessed CCTV footage from the first attack outside the library and also showed it to Kylie.

 

They said themselves it's the most brutal attack they have seen from girls in that bracket of age,"

 

 

 

"Cellphone camera footage of the 13-year-old being taken into custody after Tuesday's internet was circulating on social media yesterday.

 

In it, the girl could be seen kicking and swearing at a police officer, kicking a patrol car and resisting the officer to be point she had to be pressed face first to the pavement while she was handcuffed."

 

 

 

I feel its time for a law change and youth who commit violent crimes be removed from society until they can demonstrate they are able to understand what they have done wrong. Send them to a youth rehab centre and if that doesn't work stick them in prison. Why should ordinary citizens be punished by having to live with people that have no regard for others and the law.

 

 

 

Our justice system is a joke and needs a major overhaul.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1625467 8-Sep-2016 10:32
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I would not disagree with you even slightly.

 

Of course, much of it comes down to the paradox that you need more qualifications to drive a car than you do to have and raise children.






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  Reply # 1625468 8-Sep-2016 10:34
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The offender had attacked the girl in the past, and the parents reported that to the police. So not really a first time offender.

 

Crazy had some bit of back and forth verbalising can escalate so dramatically and violently.

 

what's so hard about just ignoring taunts "Ahh, whatever .."

 

Stocks and pillories for juvvies - no jail time, no probation officer needed.





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  Reply # 1625471 8-Sep-2016 10:38
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how about finding out why they behave like they are , there has to be a reason, and fix the problem . why do people think throwing people into jail is a good thing for society in the long run. Every person you throw into prison has to be released at some time . how about making sure when they get out they can function and be a positive effect on society. It will never happen because of the attitude of lock them up and throw away the key . 





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  Reply # 1625472 8-Sep-2016 10:39
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Putting youth offenders in prison ensures they will become lifelong offenders.

 

There need to be consequences but imprisoning youth offenders doesn't help anyone.

 

I don't have an answer.

 

 





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  Reply # 1625487 8-Sep-2016 10:52
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Without knowing the full details I would imagine that the youth concerned is dealing substantial anger issues being fueled by hormone changes. The root cause needs to be found and addressed as opposed to throw them in jail. It is also too easy to label and blame the parents.





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  Reply # 1625503 8-Sep-2016 11:04
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King hit / sucker punch / cowards punch etc attacks are becoming a serious issue, and in many jurisdictions are now basically instant jail time. I have no issue with the age of criminality being lowered for serious assaults. Now that doesn't necessarily mean jailing these kids, but processing them through the legal system, with consequences such as mandatory anger management, because if they just get away with it, they are not going to grow up into adults who think it's unacceptable behavior.





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  Reply # 1625507 8-Sep-2016 11:08
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The laws are rather toothless, it's either the police put through youth aid, and nothing happens or they are put back into the toxic family environment and nothing happens.

 

It's a lose-lose situation. Ultimately the parent needs to take more responsibility, but they've also their threats reduce to naught from overzealous prosecutors who've resulted in parents being afraid if they even retaliate against violence from their children then they'll be labelled a criminal, kids aren't stupid and are using this up and down the country to do their own damn thing, knowing essentially they're above the law. 

 

CYF's are a pile of uncoordinated faeces who've been stripped of any resemblance of an operational budget by successive governments while being pushed by law changes pushing more responsibility on to them and away from the parents.

 

This country is raising a generation of spoilt disillusioned and disenfranchised brats who haven't got any political affiliations, or parties even willing to recognise they exist while being fed vast amounts of cash by an older generation to ensure it stays that way and they hold the political power. 


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  Reply # 1625513 8-Sep-2016 11:15
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Lias:

 

King hit / sucker punch / cowards punch etc attacks are becoming a serious issue, and in many jurisdictions are now basically instant jail time.

 

 

 

 

I often wonder how much truth there is in saying "x is becoming a serious issue", or are we just becoming more aware of this sort of thing today because it's so often capture on someones phone, shared through social media, etc...?


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  Reply # 1625524 8-Sep-2016 11:33
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Lias:

 

King hit / sucker punch / cowards punch etc attacks are becoming a serious issue, and in many jurisdictions are now basically instant jail time. I have no issue with the age of criminality being lowered for serious assaults. Now that doesn't necessarily mean jailing these kids, but processing them through the legal system, with consequences such as mandatory anger management, because if they just get away with it, they are not going to grow up into adults who think it's unacceptable behavior.

 

 

This is part of the problem: we now accept so much that we did not accept 50 years ago that sometimes I wonder with dread what we might have accepted 50 years from now!

 

The days when the village bobby would drag you home by your ear when you were caught misbehaving (doing something we'd probably think was fine now) and you were terrified of both the bobby and what your parents would say seem to be long gone.

 

Growing up, I had the same opportunity to misbehave as anyone else, but my parents had always been very strict about what was and was not acceptable and left me in no doubt that they would be deeply embarrassed and displeased should I ever be dragged home by the police etc and that ensured I never did anything to cause it. I even dreaded my school reports arriving and my father hauling me over the coals for not getting over 75% in end of year exams etc!

 

I've never been in any kind of physical altercation since I was about 15 years old and had some kind of barney with a school friend over something stupid that I cannot even recall.

 

There seems to be little sense of shame and embarrassment in anything these days.






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  Reply # 1625959 8-Sep-2016 18:55
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The article says that a 14 year old involved in the attack was referred to a 'youth justice residence'. I googled that and it seems to be some kind of youth jail. No detail in the article about the difference between the 14 and 13 year old attacker and the difference in approach.

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  Reply # 1626251 9-Sep-2016 08:37
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A lot of the comments have been anti jail, my suggestion was a youth rehab facility first and then jail if that does't work. I never suggested jail as the first option. 


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  Reply # 1626320 9-Sep-2016 09:13
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It seems like that did in part happen for one of the parties involved in the first incident. The reporting does not go into any detail. Maybe it will get a special investigation article on Saturday or Sunday from the high public interest.

I have no knowledge of it but sometimes I think these articles deliberately leave out facts in order to build tension for a follow up 'investigative' type article.

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  Reply # 1626346 9-Sep-2016 09:45
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There was a seaside town in the north of England which was having a problem with yoofs.

 

They started putting up posters all over the town each month that showed the mugshots of the convicted ones, along with their crime details. A sort of modern stocks. Apparently the embarrassment factor worked.






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  Reply # 1626348 9-Sep-2016 09:47
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More likely there's no detail is that because any official involved in the case will be gagged by the (very correct) need to maintain confidentiality - despite an outraged parent "going public" on the matter.

 

You're not going to get "the full story" - only a one-sided version presented by the media to an eager hand-wringing element of the public who've been scared into thinking society is completely falling apart and all our kids are at continuous serious risk of being attacked by savages.  I hope that if the public posting of the 13YO being taken into custody allow that child to be identified, then the police trace those who posted it and throw the book at them.  

 

There's nothing in that article to suggest that the authorities haven't acted appropriately. 


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  Reply # 1626351 9-Sep-2016 09:50
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Geektastic:

 

There was a seaside town in the north of England which was having a problem with yoofs.

 

They started putting up posters all over the town each month that showed the mugshots of the convicted ones, along with their crime details. A sort of modern stocks. Apparently the embarrassment factor worked.

 

 

 

 

Cite please.  It sounds like a great story, but I'll wager that if this happened, the "yoofs" weren't 13YO children.


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