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mattwnz

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#205100 29-Oct-2016 18:19
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Just wondering what peoples thoughts are of the state of the media in NZ at  the moment.  I was pretty disappointed for example with local coverage of the council elections. Very few stories, mainly just token questions to people in the street about local issues. The Auckland elections were the only one really covered by TV.  In the end the voter turnout was the lowest ever in many regions, and people were disengaged, and in my area the same old people got voted back in, possibly because they were known names. I don't think it is good for democracy, as you need a good strong media for democracy. My own local paper seems to have cut down their paper size, and  where they once concentrated on the town, they now have very few local stories, and most are now republished stories from other town papers in the region. Their office is also closed most of the time. Online headings are also often not what they seem, they are designed to get clicks. There are also much local news that simply isn't reported on these days, such as good news and success stories.Rather stories tend to be quite negative, or are about 'celebrities'. Many are also opinions rather than impartial stories.  I also find news stories are very dumbed down, especially on TV. I'm wondering whether other people think we are being well served by the media.


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  #1660589 29-Oct-2016 18:42
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It's appalling, and has been for some time (with the notable exception of Radio NZ).

 

The reality is the newspaper business model is pretty much broken, and the media outlets have responded by eliminating reporting and moving from actual news to low-cost filler and clickbait. They seem to be in a bit of a slow death spiral at the moment - the worse their content gets the more readers they lose, and the more readers they lose the more they then compensate by cutting back on content spend.

 

Opinion filler is probably cheap-to-free for them, as mostly they can rely on people and organisations with axes to grind or agendas to push to write the story for them. Which I suspect is pretty much why the last few time I have looked at Stuff it seems to be full of articles on vegetarianism, sugar in diets, and animal cruelty.

 

Even when they do publish actual news it's usually re-printed from overseas, stale, and I have already read it elsewhere.

 

The NZ TV model is also a joke. No matter how complex a story is it has to be cut down to a three minute soundbite, seemingly pitched at an audience with an age of about seven, so it can be slotted between an ad for tampons and one for cat food. Fortunately, we have channels like Al Jazeera, the BBC and CNBC to at least cover off the world news in a serious fashion.

 

Or maybe we are just getting what we deserve and want - and we actually have a populace that generally cares more about what Brad Pitt ate for dinner last Thursday than whether Russia is about to invade the Baltic states, and more about breathless speculation about whether or not Kate Middleton broke wind at a banquet than they do about the economy?

 

 




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  #1660592 29-Oct-2016 18:50
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when was the last time you brought a paper?. Was probably 8 years ago for me.

 

I assume the only money they make is from ads and sponsored posts, but in general it is garbage,

 

 

 

I look at nzherald website twice a day, only to read the headline article if it is of interest and then leave the site, with my ad blocker on of course...





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  #1660594 29-Oct-2016 18:57
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The media we choose to pay for is what we have. I hear lots of complaints about the media but not a lot of people willing to pay for something of higher quality.

 

The media provides what people actually want, not what people like to tell others they want. It's not their fault but ours.




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  #1660596 29-Oct-2016 19:05
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"Just wondering what peoples thoughts are of the state of the media in NZ at  the moment."

 

My opinion is unprintable.  undecided

 

The polite version is abysmal and getting worse.

 

Coverage of recent local elections was minimal.

 

Voting became pointless, because I didn't know anything about any of the candidates.

 

When our local mayor was elected, I had never heard of him.





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  #1660598 29-Oct-2016 19:18
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I am willing to pay for media, and still get the hard copy of the Economist fairly regularly. It contains a lot of good content that is well reported. I get it because it represents value for money.

 

I am not willing to pay for the DomPost of Herald. Mostly they only have a use if torn up as kitty litter. And even then, I suspect may cats have high enough standards that they would refuse to use it.

 

We have a copy of the DomPost at the lunch table where I am working at the moment. Mostly I don't bother even picking it up, even though it's free, because it's that abysmal.

 

Back in the day, I would skim a dense paper and read a selection of interesting articles while I ate my sandwiches. Now, on the few occasions I have done that, I ran out of content before I ran out of sandwich!


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  #1660601 29-Oct-2016 19:20
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It's dumb and getting dumber by the week.


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  #1660602 29-Oct-2016 19:20
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JimmyH:

 

It's appalling, and has been for some time (with the notable exception of Radio NZ).

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, Radio NZ is an exception. It is a bit of a pity that their content is now being featured  on other media sites in the form of sound bites, so these other sites don't need to cover the 'boring' or 'unpopular' news that Radio NZ covers.


 
 
 

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  #1660605 29-Oct-2016 19:23
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I did pay for the Dom post up till about 5 years ago. Although my reason for cancelling wasn't the quality, but because they were not willing to put it in my mailbox. Instead that chucked it on the drive so it was either soaked, or stolen.  But I would be willing to pay for news online, if I thought it was quality, and I could get it all in one place. Google News for example does draw together a lot of news stories from different outlets, into one place.


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  #1660607 29-Oct-2016 19:27
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Not sure if its because I am aging or not...but the media seems to be deteriorating fast. Is there such a thing as investigative journalism anymore? Seems to be allabout sensationalist headlines by people like Duncan Garner who rather than reporting news seems to be more about just expressing opinion or trying to grab a headline by shocking us with unimportant rubbish. The TVNZ duo are no better on seven sharp.

 

Also watching channels like Fox News..I dont see much news any more...its all opinionated garbage.


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  #1660689 29-Oct-2016 22:05
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mattwnz: Just wondering what peoples thoughts are of the state of the media in NZ at  the moment.  I was pretty disappointed for example with local coverage of the council elections.

Overall pretty good. I've never had so much content for free. Despite what people are always saying on this forum: - much of it is very high quality. Users see only the front page and the headlines and it is impossible at that level to know the quality or content of the story. Is it bait for rubbish or bait for a really good story? There are actually a fair number of substantial stories in there.

Agree local elections are a weak point.

On to television news, for the most part I find it irritating. Later in the 7pm slot where there used to be a bit of depth it is mainly a different kind of shallow. 3Story has some potential but it kind of looks risk averse. If I watch more than a combined hour a week in these slots it's unusual.

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  #1660699 29-Oct-2016 22:29
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gzt:
mattwnz: Just wondering what peoples thoughts are of the state of the media in NZ at  the moment.  I was pretty disappointed for example with local coverage of the council elections.

Overall pretty good. I've never had so much content for free..

 

 

 

Although I believe they have got the paywalls all ready to be put up at anytime. Then some or most of this content may not be available without paying. There is also apparently a merge that may with the two main media companies, which may affect the amount or type of content.

 

Certainly there are some good stories, but there are a lot of things missed by the media from my experience. I think it is more of a problem with the more local media, as there are certainly less and less coverage of what is happening locally.

 

With those 7pm slots, I miss the old style of interviews that Holmes and later Campbell live used to to. Now they are largely opinion pieces and very light hearted stuff.  


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  #1660701 29-Oct-2016 22:37
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We have news media? I thought they'd all given up and become lifestyle channels.





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  #1660769 30-Oct-2016 08:10
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We see many complaints here about the media so this site I don't believe is representative of the wider community. It is very easy to assume that ones own likes and dislikes are the same as the wider community. It could well be that the media is delivering what their audience what. These organisations spend a lot of time market researching and using the readership viewer data from the likes of AC Neilsons Mcnairs.


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  #1660772 30-Oct-2016 08:21
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"Russel Crowe Net Worth Left Us Without Words..."

 

This is the 'quality' of the click bait headlines (complete with every word capitalised) many news sites choose to partner with now. I've noticed a number of different ones like this lately. Insert [celebrity name] wealth/net worth left us speechless/without words.

 

If this site ever started using mind rotting garbage like that, I'd cancel my subscription.


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  #1660778 30-Oct-2016 08:32
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MikeB4:  These organisations spend a lot of time market researching and using the readership viewer data from the likes of AC Neilsons Mcnairs.

 

Consumer survey data for Coke vs Pepsi doesn't seek to reveal that the product is gassy gutrot.


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