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#205381 10-Nov-2016 19:02

The main thread got a bit Raggedy Ann.

From here for NZ and also the US is probably far more important. It's real now.

So, be serious. None of this godwinning stuff. And we all have the same impression of Trump. The real deal now is where from here for NZ and the US

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#1667594 10-Nov-2016 19:04

MF can you change title to Trump is President, where to from here for NZ, USA

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#1667596 10-Nov-2016 19:17

Other than the death of TPPA I believe it will be business as usual. Most of our interaction with the US is done way below Presidential level. We are just not that important.

The affect on China will have a greater impact on us. Hopefully our relationship with China will get stronger.

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#1667600 10-Nov-2016 19:20

MikeB4: Other than the death of TPPA I believe it will be business as usual. Most of our interaction with the US is done way below Presidential level. We are just not that important.

The affect on China will have a greater impact on us. Hopefully our relationship with China will get stronger.

Hi Mike

I gather from news that beef exports are a major. For a very very very small nation, we would or could be very vulnerable for the reason you said, we are not important. Why does the US take our beef? Half a state can cover that

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#1667610 10-Nov-2016 20:07

tdgeek: I gather from news that beef exports are a major. For a very very very small nation, we would or could be very vulnerable for the reason you said, we are not important. Why does the US take our beef? Half a state can cover that

They can do without our beef quite easily and Mr Key hasn't made it any easier for the short term future by jumping into the Democrat bed with Obama.

Key made a joke of himself on US TV a few years back and has this time unfortunately made himself and NZ look like a joke by his choice of political affiliations.

Trump, as we know, is all about America and I think NZ should now be in damage mode at least on a political basis.

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#1667613 10-Nov-2016 20:11

Glad to see the back of the TPPA myself, and actually in favour of Trump! [so NOT everyone on here thinks the same... about anything really :) ]

I actually think he "trumps" Hillary if only due to her 40weeks abortion policy. I have at least three friends who were born at less than 40 weeks who must be (according to her) something less than human as she seems to think abortion at that late stage isn't murder 🙄

Anyway, I think the world will go on, the US$ may dip, WW3 won't happen, and the antichrist is not yet born.

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#1667616 10-Nov-2016 20:22

cynnicallemon:
tdgeek: I gather from news that beef exports are a major. For a very very very small nation, we would or could be very vulnerable for the reason you said, we are not important. Why does the US take our beef? Half a state can cover that

They can do without our beef quite easily and Mr Key hasn't made it any easier for the short term future by jumping into the Democrat bed with Obama.

Key made a joke of himself on US TV a few years back and has this time unfortunately made himself and NZ look like a joke by his choice of political affiliations.

Trump, as we know, is all about America and I think NZ should now be in damage mode at least on a political basis.

He worked with the administration of the day, something e should be doing. Now he will work with the new administration.

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#1667620 10-Nov-2016 20:35

MikeB4:
He worked with the administration of the day, something e should be doing. Now he will work with the new administration.

Yes, true and that will happen but Key has had a few digs at Trump in the last year (probably to please his current master). Sadly he misjudged what America was feeling, like so many did, and should have stayed neutral on the subject.

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#1667696 10-Nov-2016 22:32

PhantomNVD: Glad to see the back of the TPPA myself, and actually in favour of Trump! [so NOT everyone on here thinks the same... about anything really :) ]

I actually think he "trumps" Hillary if only due to her 40weeks abortion policy. I have at least three friends who were born at less than 40 weeks who must be (according to her) something less than human as she seems to think abortion at that late stage isn't murder 🙄

Anyway, I think the world will go on, the US$ may dip, WW3 won't happen, and the antichrist is not yet born.

The problem is NZers wasted how may millions on it? I don't like all the secret deals that went on, but I don't think the end result looked all that bad. Although the USA didn't like the terms.

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#1667744 11-Nov-2016 06:38

PhantomNVD:
I actually think he "trumps" Hillary if only due to her 40weeks abortion policy. I have at least three friends who were born at less than 40 weeks who must be (according to her) something less than human as she seems to think abortion at that late stage isn't murder 🙄

Trump lied about that, blatantly, you've been had.

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#1667748 11-Nov-2016 06:56

cynnicallemon:

MikeB4:
He worked with the administration of the day, something e should be doing. Now he will work with the new administration.

Yes, true and that will happen but Key has had a few digs at Trump in the last year (probably to please his current master). Sadly he misjudged what America was feeling, like so many did, and should have stayed neutral on the subject.

I can't agree with that. Key's comments were in line with NZ interests - and expressed with reasonable care that he wouldn't be accused of dabbling in another nations affairs. Key has done the right thing.
Sitting back and saying nothing in the face of Trump touting blatant racism, misogyny, inciting hatred, along with his many terrible lies - that's not a morally defensible position.

Now there's a difficult situation for world leaders - including ours. Uncertainty whether there's two Trumps - the lying foul-mouthed pre-election Trump, and a more moderate conciliatory post-election Trump, or whether there's actually only one person.

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#1667762 11-Nov-2016 07:23

In some ways, a shake up might be good for the world. US wants to be great again, manufacture as much of its stuff itself, penalise imports. So, the world will need to be aware of that for their own interests. Seek new markets. I gather beef for us is large, so we look for some protection by going to other countries for our beef exports. Many countries might be doing this. This will help global relations, while shutting the US out. The US may be a friend to many nations, but we all may quietly prefer to talk to them when we have to. Basically a silent step back from the US. The US citizens will be able to "Buy American" a lot more. Great for employment. The only issue there is they will pay more for everything they manufacture, compared to the costs in China, Mexico, Honduras, etc. China and India might be the obvious markets for us and others to go to, they may lap that up, and the US is left out. If the US imports stuff, they will pay tariffs.

Where the issue fails is that this is a global economy, it has benefits. if the US wants to be as manufacturer independent as they can, that will cost them. Money, and global participation. Clearly they wont be left tight out,but they will be left out.

He wants American companies to come back. Take Apple. Hmm, lets pay even more for Apple gear as the costs now include US wages.

Theoretically a great idea to be as independent as they can be, manufacturing wide, but it will cost the citizens more.

NZ, we can deal with whomever we can for our beef and other primary exports, increase trade relations, a pain to begin with for the industry. I gather beef isn't that big in China? Pork would be, they go for pork. Our farmers can diversify a bit, not hard.

In the long run, maybe a better place for all of us to be less reliant on the US and spread our eggs around a bit more. With more global friends.

So maybe not too bad in the long run.

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#1667773 11-Nov-2016 07:51

Australia and Asia are more important markets for us. We should concentrate there especially China, India, Indonesia and Malaysia.

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#1667779 11-Nov-2016 08:02

MikeB4: Australia and Asia are more important markets for us. We should concentrate there especially China, India, Indonesia and Malaysia.

True.

Australia 21.0% China 15.0% United States 9.2% Japan 7.0% (2012 est.)

I heard beef was big. Its huge to the US, 200,000 tonnes, China is 70,000, the rest are puny. The rest are Asia Pacific and Canada. If that gets tariffed out of range, there is work to do there. Why does the US import beef? Its a huge country, I;d have though they can manage that themselves quite easily. And assume the rest of the world are quite happy with their beef imports right now, that might be hard to avoid the US.If tariffs get too high, move away from beef? Find another home for the equivalent farm output of another product?

Off course it wont happen overnight, but if the US farmers get incentivised to grow more beef, that can happen in a relatively short time, a few short years.

EDIT Corrected IS farmers to US farmers!

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#1667792 11-Nov-2016 08:37

cynnicallemon:

MikeB4:
He worked with the administration of the day, something e should be doing. Now he will work with the new administration.

Yes, true and that will happen but Key has had a few digs at Trump in the last year (probably to please his current master). Sadly he misjudged what America was feeling, like so many did, and should have stayed neutral on the subject.

Might surprise you to know that Key is quite capable of making digs at Trump without anyone "pulling his strings".

Trump will soon learn the Presidency is bigger than him and pull his head in if it appears he is being vindictive.

Expect some harder bargains to be driven, but he will soon realize if he doesn't already (Which I assure you he already does), the US needs other countries for healthy survival.

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#1667807 11-Nov-2016 09:08

Fred99:

cynnicallemon:

MikeB4:
He worked with the administration of the day, something e should be doing. Now he will work with the new administration.

Yes, true and that will happen but Key has had a few digs at Trump in the last year (probably to please his current master). Sadly he misjudged what America was feeling, like so many did, and should have stayed neutral on the subject.

I can't agree with that. Key's comments were in line with NZ interests - and expressed with reasonable care that he wouldn't be accused of dabbling in another nations affairs. Key has done the right thing.
Sitting back and saying nothing in the face of Trump touting blatant racism, misogyny, inciting hatred, along with his many terrible lies - that's not a morally defensible position.

Now there's a difficult situation for world leaders - including ours. Uncertainty whether there's two Trumps - the lying foul-mouthed pre-election Trump, and a more moderate conciliatory post-election Trump, or whether there's actually only one person.

You know, a lot of politicians around the world have two personalities at the moment. There's the pre Trump win "He's a rascist biggot and I wouldn't work with him" personality and the post win "We're now keen to work with Mr Trump even though we don't agree with him" type. I guess Donald isn't alone with that personality disorder. They have, including Mr Key, put Trump in the driving seat on any negotiations.

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